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[–] doylio@lemmy.ca 26 points 9 months ago (5 children)

It's worth noting that this is not being done for environmental reasons (more half of all coal pollution comes from China), but for strategic reasons as China has limited access to oil near it's borders.

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean, that's a pretty good reason. I'm not too concerned why they do a good thing, as long as it's done.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Electric cars aren't a "good thing" though.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You might get up votes if you accompanied a controversial opinion with a reasoned argument. However, making only broad, unsubstantiated statements is a waste of bandwidth and everyone's time.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

You might get up votes if you accompanied a controversial opinion with a reasoned argument.

Ultimately I agree that they should include the argument, but adding a reasoned argument has very little affect on the use of the vote buttons as "agree/disagree."

[–] jackmarxist@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

China is also the world leader in sustainable public transportation solutions

[–] Skua@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They're a "better than ICE cars" thing. I'll take whatever improvements I can get

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 1 points 9 months ago

When coupled with electric buses and high speed trains, they’re plenty fine. We’re not going to reach a level of infrastructure anytime soon where all travel can be accomplished through public infrastructure, even in China where they have ten times the public transport infrastructure of the US.

Electric cars by themselves aren’t a good thing, as in, the USian belief in “an electric car for every person” is insane and if they convince even half the world of it we’re going to destroy the other half mining minerals, but using electric cars to supplement sustainable infrastructure and support areas yet without access to public transit is a necessary step on the path towards sustainability.

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[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

An EV running on a coal fired grid still has less emissions that a prius. Facts dont care about your feelings.

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Could you please run us through your maths? I'm legit curious.

[–] zhunk 3 points 9 months ago

I don't know if their statement is universally true, but the EPA's fuel economy / total emissions calculator seems to show it for what I've put in. You can put in a Prius or random EV and see how they compare.

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth1

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=bt2

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My guess would be the efficiency of coal power plants (35%) and electricity transmission (90%) + battery charging of an EV (80%) would be more than efficiency of transporting oil in ships (50%) , then in an ICE truck (40%) to fuel pumps and then finally the efficiency of the ICE car (40%).

I picked the numbers from internet, but they seem plausible.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] doylio@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Just wanted to add some perspective. There's a narrative lately that China is a champion of the green movement, which is absurd

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

It's no less absurd than the opposite narrative, that China is some kind of climate villain.

The reality is China is on the right track, but not there yet. I'm somewhat optimistic.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

Pretty reasonable narrative tbh. China's CO2 emmissions plateleued last month and have even started to fall, and they're targeting zero emissions by 2060. They've also started spearheading cleaner energy this month with the first 4th gen nuclear reactor.

And of course the news in this post.

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Car engines are immensely inefficient and car charging is a load that's easy to load-balance for renewables (dynamic pricing see: Tesla)

[–] doylio@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

Yup! EVs and renewables are broadly good things. Just wanted to give some added perspective :)

[–] sugarcake@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Great argument for a green transition in many places, such as Europe, India and Japan. Dependence on fossil fuels is a big weakness.