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If you're not aware, the hack was performed by Arion Kurtaj, an 18 year old, who has been put in ~~prison~~ a psych ward in a uk prison. He hacked rockstar at a hotel, where he was left with no computers or phones, only to find that the TV had a chromecast, which he used to buy a phone and a keyboard (presumably by selling his monero).
This kid deserves a 7-8 digits salary as a pentester, not prison; plenty of pentesting companies would hire him in a heartbeat.
Don't get me wrong, he deserves a long and drawn out lesson on morals, but also a stellar salary where he can do what he's doing for the right side.
EDIT: I have made a mistake in my original comment, which has been pointed out. My bad, he's technically in a psych ward in a uk prison, because he's aggressive and unstable. I still stand by what I said (and what I clarified in the comments below), but I wanted to correct the record
He’s talented, but the problem is jobs like pen testing require a LOT of trust to work in. So far this guy has said and shown that he intents on staying in cybercrime rather than doing legitimate work.
As it stands, given how he’s acted, I can’t see a single company that would let him pen test their systems or a red team that would take that risk to their reputation.
You're forgetting a vitally important part of being a pentester.
Namely that they need to be trusted not to leak billions of dollars worth of trade secrets.
This kid is a prodigy as a black hat, but he'd be an embarrassment as a pentester.
I agree with you in principle, you are definitely objectively correct, however people can redeem themselves.
To name two:
I used to work as a pentester. It's an open secret that like a good chunk of people in the industry are former criminals. But former is kind of the keyword. Not only is he doing crime after being arrested and still under surveillance, but he can't even lie and say he won't do it again. The kid is unhireable, at least not until he can get his compulsions under control.
My GF works with autistic individuals and for a majority of them they simply cannot lie, at least not big lies. He may not even see it as being that wrong (probably does know to some extent that it is wrong), especially with all the (correct) rhetoric that companies are scum bastards obscuring the truth. The kid is indeed unhireable for the time being but he could be helped to understand the morals, ethics and laws surrounding his interests to integrate him into the capitalistic world he finds himself in.
I certainly didn't mean to make any moral judgments about the kid. I'm not even sure that I think it's morally wrong (unwise and legally wrong, no doubt, I just don't think his actions hurt any person and I don't care if an action hurts a corporation). The kid is clearly talented and I hope he gets the treatment he needs. I sure hope he can eventually make a living with his talents and perhaps eventually use his talents towards positive change.
Completely agree, its a waste of useful talents that has through one reason or another has not been influenced in the right direction.
that's exactly my point tho, he needs to understand why what he did was objectively wrong, and needs to understand that actions have consequences, but he's still a teenager, and one with autism at that, there is plenty of time for him to change sides
What did he do that was wrong?
Jesus shit
To be fair to those two:
Mitnick did much what he did before hacking was even a crime, and almost all of it before offensive cybersecurity was even a viable career option.
the damage caused by the entirety of ShadowCrew (4000 odd members) was a drop in the bucket compared to that caused by this single kid
neither of them had compulsion issues that would cause them to attempt to hack even while under surveillance.
How about the good old Danny Trejo?
I want to bet this dude is a giant asshole. Not sure why people keep making a hero out of him, he sounds like an awful person.
Maybe, I've never met him, but that changes nothing.
Linus Torvalds is a giant asshole and he doesn't know how to talk to people, he's still one of the most important people in tech.
Torvalds isn't an asshole because of a nonexistent moral compass. He just has strong opinions, and he's usually right, anyway.
Absolutely, didn't mean to imply otherwise
Linus is not an asshole, he's just right and tells his opinions straight without playing games. That's called honesty.
That... Sounds exactly like how every smart asshole describes themselves. Don't know anything about Linus, just basing that off your description.
As far as I recall he actively seeks to commit cybercrimes and even says so himself.
It's not the first young hacker on the spectrum that has urges to hack stuff.
It's a whole different question when someone is conscious he is doing something illegal and actively seeks to do it.
This is not another Aaron Swartz story imo. It's an autistic individual that doesn't hack out of curiosity but in order to damage businesses, and people or benefit himself.
Penetrating is legal cybercrimes.
Unfortunate that society punishes those that can do things that a lot of people don't understand
he is not obedient enough for these corporations as is.
so throw away his talent it is.
An hero
From what I've read the kid is a genius but also has mental issues that makes him want to perform criminal acts all the time
Fuck that. His morals are completely correct.
This guy defends criminal. What an idiot.
Please look into penetration testing.
Unless his attitude and stance changes, there’s not a single red team that I could see taking him. You can’t just throw someone who wants to be a criminal into pentesting and think it’ll go well
No disagreements here, but this is all something that can change easily, he just need to understand the repercussions of his actions
Not every black hat, even autistic ones, lack an understanding of their actions. Some know perfectly fucking well what they are doing.
This guy rigged up hardware to pull off a massive attack while in police custody. Bro knew full well by that point what the consequences were, he pulled off another attack in the middle of dealing with said consequences
Just what the "security" industry needs. It's all either talentless hacks, or skilled assholes.
Edit: lol ok, I've only been working near these people for a decade.
If it's malicious, it's not penetration testing. It's just malicious.
I agree, this kid would be a great pentester.
A true agent of chaos