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[โ€“] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The EU has neoliberalism written into its constitution. It's not socialist, at most a few member nations have some social democracy. Though even that has been shrinking and replaced by privitization and austerity.

[โ€“] fugacity@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Forgive my previous imprecise language, but isn't this merely a matter of semantics? I was under the impression that the major countries in Europe are socialist (or if you prefer, social democracies, hence what I meant but European "socialism"), and they drive policy in the EU. But as the top comment said, they have agency to do things on their own behalfs.

[โ€“] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

All the EU member states are capitalists, no exception. Socialism is an entirely different economic system. The major countries are actually the more conservative, France and Germany. The most social democratic (which is still capitalism) are the Scandinavian countries, though their welfare systems are a shell of what they were 30 years ago.

[โ€“] fugacity@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Hence my apology for the imprecise language. I meant what you said by social democracy, not a social economic system. Anyways, if we're being pedants, there are no true socialists or capitalists in today's markets. They're all mixed-market economies.

When I say socialist (and what is more accurately social democracy), I first think of healthcare, then I think of transit, then of education, and then of utilities. These are things that the US certainly could do better.