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[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 90 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Windows 11 takes your money, gives you ads, sells your information and ignores your bug reports and feature requests

KDE is free, ad-free and open to contribution

I think we have a clear winner here

[–] desconectado@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

But can it run proprietary software used in the industry? From Excel to Photoshop, if you are in a collaborative professional environment, you can't run away from those, and don't tell me you can use the alternatives in Linux, because no, you can't. This is not linux fault, but it's still an issue you can't handwave.

I love linux, but you can't expect people to adopt it just because it's objectively better than windows.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You just gotta make an effort. The one who are too lazy will never be free of Microsoft's clutches. Which probably just means pretty much everyone will stick to windows.

[–] desconectado@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

That's my point, I use linux as much as I can, but if 80% of your colleagues use Windows... You don't have much choice.

[–] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

List of things to consider

  1. There are alternatives
  2. You can use wine
  3. You can run a windows VM and install it there
  4. Dual boot windows
  5. Microsoft has built a proprietary moat around their operating system. The reason why it’s hard to switch from Windows is by corporate design. A mix of early adoption, network effects, and just plain cold hard cash makes them dominate the operating system market. Of course it’s infeasible for your 60yo coworker to switch; but KDE presents an alternate reality, an opportunity, for people fed up with big tech’s bullshit. Yes, figure out how to run and use alternatives you fucking nut. Way to go disparaging countless volunteer hours spent on open source projects so that people like me can switch to linux.

Comments like these make me irrationally angry. Why complain about open source software and give bad PR? It’s open source; contribute.

[–] desconectado@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Read my other replies. 1 and 2 don't really work, the performance of using wine, or the alternatives, is just not there, if you do amateur work, maybe that's fine, but for professional collaborative work, good luck using freecad instead of autocad.

Personally, I use 3 and 4, but you have to understand that the regular user is not going to go through that much hassle to set up a virtual machine.

[–] hyaudreyzane@mastodon.social 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

@desconectado @glibg10b Wine exists... And that's all I have to say. There is a good installer in lutris for creative cloud that works pretty good if you own it. And if you have a NVIDIA graphics card, it works even better, almost like on windows. It's not 1:1 but we're getting close. For excel you have wine again or a great free alternative is WPS or softmaker if you want to buy it.

[–] desconectado@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I wish Wine worked well enough to use Excel. We are not talking about adding up numbers in a cell. Once you include macros, or a reference manager in Word, Wine is not good enough. The same can be said about propietary software, like autocad, or software used to control equipment. Also, good luck convincing a regular user to get familiar with wine.

WPS is great for simple files. Again, not good enough for complex files, especially if it is a corporate collaboration environment. I have lost count on the amount of ppt files that didn't display well when it used WPS.

Every other year I try all the alternatives you mention, hoping they got better, and I always come back to use a dual boot or a virtual machine, which is not a thing your regular user wants to do.

[–] Opafi@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There are enough web based office instances running for Linux to be functional in that regard.

Photoshop on the other hand...

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

Photopea is a solid replacement.

[–] dino@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

I love linux, but you can’t expect people to adopt it just because it’s objectively better than windows.

Excel o,O

[–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

Meh I had a dual boot machine ages ago. Still here collecting dust. Basically I only switched to use the Linux for down time, movies, and study, most day to day tasks from engineering software to anything I considered important enough that you do not want the results hacked or broken I would use Windows.

I think of modern machines kind of like a hammer. These days almost nobody actually remembers the guy who made the first hammer, or who discovered fire, but there's a price tag for the bow, the paper and the hammer, not so much the making of the hammer, because the actual skill involved or required to learn about it has become challenged if not cheapened to the degree that there are now multiple paths to obtain or create a hammer, yet the benchmark quality of the hammer as well as the process for creation itself as a whole is now more of an authority than the actual original statue or monolith of "hammer man" himself.

This is why I think the many flavours of Ubuntu including the many esoteric Linux distros are still interesting but still lack the diversity of use and specialization. The fact that whole blockchains are built for XYZ while sitting around pumped then dumped to trading at cents with no use goes to show how cloud computing systems and lower level computing is still very disconnected and becoming further thrown aside to uphold ponzi schemes.

I'll give you an example, more money is wasted on onlyfans per year than for people trying to use system XYZ for solving problem A, or curing cancer. Consider that to be one of the "good" reasons many men and women are so misogynistic, even without looking down on sex workers.

[–] ultra@feddit.ro 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention free as in freedom.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

Also free as in beer.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago

And anytime you mention that anywhere when somebody is being fucked again by windows, people find you annoying

[–] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

But can it play Starfield with an Nvidia GPU? I originally had popos on my PC until Starfield came out, I had to switch to Windows to play.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean Starfield was just terrible optimized for Nvidia at launch and still isn't ideal no matter what OS you use.

[–] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com 2 points 11 months ago

I play it on max settings with no problems on windows