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Probably pretty good odds were not.
The laws of physics we observe have far to much unnecessary complexity at the small scale to be worthy simulating unless it mirrors the simulators reality, in which case it’s unlikely that you could simulate earth on anything less than an truly absurd collection of matrioshka brains, and even then it would be to expensive to do often.
Moreover, what would actually be the point of an ancestor simulation in the first place? Things are going to diverge so rapidly that the only things you can learn are very general statistics, which you could make good estamates of already and with far less computing power. These are also statistics that self evidently do not matter becuse if they did occur often enough to matter than the simulators would already know just by looking around their own universe.
Basically the only things i’ve heard that don’t require an intelligent civilization that could reach technology far in advance of our own but is comprised completely of people so psychopathic they’d create billions of children just to kill them off for mad science are things like your parents wanting to raise thier children in a simulacrum to the distant past or wiping your own memory for some roleplay or similar. In that case, where you are only simulateing a few rea people and a bunch of NPCs, why would you bother designing NPCs to being up the simulation in the first place?
Foreshadowing and getting you used to the idea maybe, but there are a lot better ways to do that, most of which involve an actual conversation.
Quick note that this is just a hypothetical exercise i like doing. This world is as real as it will get for the duration of my life.
Interesting point that a society so advanced may not have much to gain from ancestor simulations. I havent heard that one before so thats an interesting for me to get into some night. I would think that if they may at some point fully have explored all their is in the present they may look to the past and alternative universes out of boredom.
Nonetheless I believe there is a very good reason to run the if you flip the maliciousness from you story upside down into a loving gift of life.
Why is it so unnecessary complex?
Because only the best will do for life, no one wants to live in a low powered simulation. If a simulated world is not as complex and deep as a real universe can we expect the experience and lives of its inhabitants be? We are studying those unnecessary complex phenomena right now, they may cause the next technological breakthrough.
If they where not there and while searching we find one of the tubes carrying ones and zeros we might have freaked out before maturing.
What could they still learn?
I would usually assume they may simply try to learn the conditions that lead to the big bang by simulating all kins of possibilities till you have one which is a close enough copy of reality.
But in this hypothetical we assume they are passed needing to learn anything. So they don’t instead it may simply be to teach “life” and “connections” are things that “exist” and can be “experienced”. The simulation is a loving nest designed by our techno superior parents who wish to nurse new complex life in the safety of their hardware.
It may also be that we have a purpose in the real world and that we are AI in training. The best way to solve the alignment problem is to give each AI a full experience of life with goods and bads.
Why would they do this over biological offspring?
Because (pure opinion) time is the real final frontier. Eventual cosmic heath death appears inevitable. Living near forever without aging may be possible but creating more time in the universe may not. Simulations allow life to experience much more time then outside of them. So not only are we reasonably safe in the simulation we also have all the time we need.
Of course i have conveniently ignored all the suffering in our world in this loving gift but in this context that depends on perspective. Was the human world designed as part of the simulation or was it organically generated as we evolve? Are we a single conscious in a human world? A human hive mind consciousness on a planet or are we all part of a bigger consciousness encompassing our universe. Maybe those outside our world may know, but I definitely do not.
Would it be also evidence for the simulation theory that there is a maximum speed of information (light speed)?
I am as much a astrophysicist as the average lemming but is it ever proven that there is a maximum speed of information?
It may depend on how speed is defined. Maybe a maximum movement speed within space time has such limit but the fastest way to go from a to b can still be instantaneous through quantum mechanics.
Big think has an article on quantumparticles, the way I understand it they are the smallest bit of information that could potentially be both a proton or electron. I found it sounds a bit like a “bit” having the potential to be either false or true.
I think if any sciences proof the simulated world theory its quantum mechanics excluding all other possibilities or ASI figuring it out and telling us.