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Charles Q. Brown Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the Chinese leader would 'try to use other ways to do this.”

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[–] fr0g@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well they basically tried that already. They tried to strike up a trade agreement with the then ruling conservative power that would give China significant economic and thus political influence. But the Taiwanese people were smart enough to see through that. There was a popular uprising, the legislative building got occupied by student protestors, the agreement was retracted and the then president lost the next election in a landslide.

[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The DPP received significant funding from the US National Endowment for Democracy during that time. Coincidence? Probably not...

Same meddling shit that happened in Ukraine with Euromaidan and in China with Tiananmen Square. Even the US PsyOps teams themselves admit that they were responsible for those events.

I'd love to say that the Taiwanese people themselves came to the conclusion, but time and time again the US has showed that the people's choice isn't something they really respect abroad.

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tsai Ing-wen has very close ties to the NED:

https://www.ned.org/president-tsai-ing-wen-of-taiwan-receives-ned-democracy-service-medal/

https://english.president.gov.tw/News/6257

In these statements, it is clear that the NED has given significant support to Tsai Ing-wen and the DPP. Meanwhile, NED funding in East Asia is a fact. It's blatant intervention into foreign democracies through American state-backed actors.

The following is a statement by the PRC's Foreign Ministry, so feel free to ignore the colour commentary, but the details of who and where the NED funds are accurate. https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/zxxx_662805/202205/t20220507_10683090.html

Meanwhile, the US 4th Psyop's Division literally has released a public video claiming responsibility for orchestrating events in Euromaidan 2014 and Tiananmen Square 1989: https://youtu.be/VA4e0NqyYMw?si=t8ZSix96y2cTmUVJ

That video correlates strongly with the statements made by the Foreign Ministry of the PRC.

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The DPP wasn't even a very instrumental actor in the sunflower movement. It was largely student led and of those people that participated in it that went into politics, most went to different smaller parties. I lived in the country during the time that happened and to claim that foreign interference played any meaningful role is just absurd on its face. Maybe don't try patronizing entire populaces from afar as if they somehow weren't able to make their own decisions and come to their own conclusions.

[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The NED has been funding these types of groups for decades and with millions of dollars. If you'd clicked any of the links, you'd know that.

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The NED has been funding some NGOs for decades, so these groups, which prior to the sunflower movement mostly didn't even exist and didn't have an organizational structure to direct funds to in the first place surely were funded by them as well. Some absolutely impeccable and waterproof logic there.

[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So... Your argument is that if I "donate" a billion dollars to the Republican party in the US, that would have zero relation with the rise of conservative views in the US and that those views must have arisen organically?

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

No, that's not my argument. Reread my post.