I think this would be the appropriate time to point out that Russia can stop this war at any time by leaving, whereas Ukraine can only stop it by convincing Russia to leave. They already tried concessions, and that didn’t work.

And the rest of the world can’t stop the war at all, it can only act to prolong it or favor one side or the other.

[–] 14specks@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This seems like a false dichotomy, Ukraine can surrender as well, as unpopular as it would be. Ukraine has been following the lead of the US, even before the invasion. This has lead them away from any negotiations, right to where they are today.

[–] cnnrduncan 2 points 1 year ago

They tried surrendering to Russia in 2014 and it only got them 8 years of peace before Russia invaded again. How long do you think it'd take next time, 6 years? 4 years?

[–] PEnorman 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Unpopular? That's the word you'd use to describe Ukraine surrendering? Just "unpopular"? Putin rejected his (ostensibly) real goal of Ukraine being barred from NATO before the war even started in order to seek out deeper goals and political control. Then he ran the independence referenda in the Russian-army-occupied settlements, that claimed "independence" over the entire regions (a large chunk of which Russia didn't even control).

Those referenda are currently a part of Putin's non-negotiables for a peace deal. So then why would you ever characterise it as Ukraine bringing it on themselves? That they're the ones who aren't being serious about negotiations? Are they "prolonging" the war for fun? I hope you don't actually buy this and it's just a contrarian bit.

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