I still don't get how Mossad didnt know about this? Aren't they one of the best agencies around? I mean they invented Pegasus! How did they not know this attack was impending? Something had to have happened.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or, counterpoint, they knew.

Either it was a case of the information not getting to the right people, or the right people wanted the attack to happen. After all, a very public and horrific attack justifies a lot of sadistic level disproportionate response, and said sadistic level disproportionate response gets the base riled up to vote for you again.

Or, counter-counterpoint, everyone and their dog knows that Israel is spying on everyone and their dog, so all communications by people planning this shit are kept to in person or paper. Anything that has to be transmitted electronically likely is said in code phrases that are agreed on in person.

The truth is likely a combination of all of it.

[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Egypt says they told Israel

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

I dont know. Given that Israel is announcing constantly over the past days how they were hitting hundreds of Hamas targets, they claim to have a very detailled knowledge of where Hamas is. That also means that they must have had noticed increased activity, because all the material for the attack needs to get somewhere and at the latest they most have had noticed the buildup of fighters and demolition equipment on the morning of the attack.

So either they knew very well that the attack was prepared at the latest when it was imminent, or they are now lying about the targets and just lobbing bombs at random places now. But also i remember the videos of the soldiers being caught off guard when Hamas was storming their bases, which means a collossal fuckup in the warning chain or deliberate non information.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course they knew. They want a reason to go to war

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wouldn't go so far as to say "of course" about it, Hanlon's razor still applies. But it's a scenario worth investigating.

[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Occam’s razor cuts sharper, here. I don’t think you can apply Hanlon’s razor to entities that we know are full of malice, as Israel is to the Palestinians.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I dont find it adequaetly explicable without malice. Israel has Gaza almost surrounded and exerts strong influence on Egypt and the border there too. The main task of the Mossad and IDF is to surveil and fend off Hamas and Hesbollah. And for Hamas the area to surveil is very small and they cant go anywhere else. Also Israel now claims hundreds of attacks on Hamas targets every day, which means they claim to know exactly where Hamas is. How can they not have noticed the buildup of material and forces necessary for such an operation?

[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You think the five eyes and Israel could have possibly missed the buildup to the largest Islamic terrorist incident ever? In Palestine? The most surveilled place on earth? There is absolutely no fucking way they didn’t know.

Also Egypt said they straight up told Israel so…

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