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For what reason does someone have to travel to the Caribbean from Canada that would justify any carbon impact?
People are still allowed to want nice things. If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution.
But why can't you take a decarbonized plane? WestJet indicates that it is not impossible, just expensive. Nobody said the dance needs to be cheap. We're already talking about an incredible luxury that only the rich are able to partake in. The poor aren't travelling to the Caribbean for vacation, ever.
The high cost of a decarbonized plane (as you've rightly identified) is a good reason to focus on it filling in the shortest hop of the trip. Use high-speed rail for as much as possible, and then use the expensive flying machine full of sustainable synthetic natural gas or whatever for the last leg.
The most active traveller I know is a waitress. You can get a pretty decent all-inclusive week-long resort trip in Cayo Coco, Cuba for like $600CAD per person. I'm a very cheap guy, I didn't even have a data plan on my phone until this year, and $600CAD is nothing for a once-every-few-years trip. That's the difference between my yearly cellphone bill and a normal person's cellphone bill.
No way anyone is willing to pay the cost of rail, I'm afraid.
Who could also very well be the richest person you know. I have a restaurant's financial records sitting on my desk right now. I know just how well those waitresses are paid after the tips are collected.
Is there something notable about this person that wanted you to introduce her into the discussion?
Maybe if you're rich. $600 isn't something the poor get to just throw around for fun.
Moving the goalposts. You started out saying only "the rich". A single-income waitress is not "the rich" unless you're completely bonkers. You can argue that such a person is middle-class, or working class, or petite bourgeoisie, however you want to classify her. But if you call somebody like that "the rich" you've taken a vacation from reality.
It's a top 20% income on the low end, and higher if she works at a high end establishment. If the top 20% isn't rich, is anyone rich? Of course you can perpetually move the goalposts.
No doubt she is working class, but that says nothing about being rich or poor. The classes speak to capital ownership.
You're telling me that Barb at the IHOP is making top-20% money.
There would be no reason for her to work there otherwise. It is not like every other restaurant and bar under the sun isn't also begging for servers.
That's two different values you're lumping into one.
Income is income.
To visit our new province when they finally accept the application. Gov.tc.ca .