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Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is? (jarv.is)

submitted 1 year ago by dingus@lemmy.ml to c/technology

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tl;dr: No. Quite the opposite, actually — Archive.is’s owner is intentionally blocking 1.1.1.1 users.

CloudFlare's CEO had this to say on HackerNews:

We don’t block archive.is or any other domain via 1.1.1.1. [...] Archive.is’s authoritative DNS servers return bad results to 1.1.1.1 when we query them. I’ve proposed we just fix it on our end but our team, quite rightly, said that too would violate the integrity of DNS and the privacy and security promises we made to our users when we launched the service. [...] The archive.is owner has explained that he returns bad results to us because we don’t pass along the EDNS subnet information. This information leaks information about a requester’s IP and, in turn, sacrifices the privacy of users.

I am mainly making this post so that admins/moderators at BeeHaw will consider using archive.org or ghostarchive.org links instead of archive.today links.

Because anyone using CloudFlare's DNS for privacy is being denied access to archive.today links.

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/PmSkp

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[–] Pleonasm@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not really a paywall then, is it? I don't know why you think it's fake, it's a very real convenience.

Violating my rights ? Is geolocating your users violating their rights now?

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not really a paywall then, is it?

Well no shit... It wasn't a real paywall if archive.org or archive.is can bypass either no? What's your point with this statement?

I don’t know why you think it’s fake, it’s a very real convenience.

What/when did I say anything was fake? See above question.... I said they're a terrible service. Not that they're fake. I'm telling you that it's not any more convenient than the reader view button and that doesn't give your data to some shady third party that doesn't NEED your data... even though they'll apparently go to war with one of the biggest transits on the internet over it to get it.

s geolocating your users violating their rights now?

Yes... attempting to punish users who don't want to be geolocated... or FORCING users to geolocate would be collecting personal data. That is a literal violation of rights in many countries, specifically the EU... and California. So yes.

Are we done?

[–] Pleonasm@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Archive.is can and does bypass real paywalls. That's why it's useful.

You literally called it a fake convenience in your previous comment. Do you have the memory of a goldfish?

Geolocation of users of course does not violate GDPR, don't be ridiculous.

You have no idea what you're talking about and clearly don't understand the issue at hand, so yep, we're done.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Archive.is can and does bypass real paywalls. That’s why it’s useful.

Firefox reader mode does as well...

You literally called it a fake convenience in your previous comment.

Yes... so less button presses and faffing with bullshit just using the built in feature on firefox... See how archive.is isn't that convenient at all?

Do you have the memory of a goldfish?

You seem to have the intelligence of one. You just said "fake", assuming that someone would understand what the hell you're talking about... When you communicate poorly, don't be mad when people don't understand you.

Geolocation of users of course does not violate GDPR, don’t be ridiculous.

They're not just using geolocation and throwing the data away after they're done. otherwise they wouldn't be fighting cloudflare. Storing that data for whatever other purpose they could have with it would absolutely be a violation of GDPR and similar laws. You're the one being ridiculous here.

You have no idea what you’re talking about and clearly don’t understand the issue at hand, so yep, we’re done.

I'm literally a CISO... It's my job to make these kinds of decisions. So jokes on you. My company would fail compliance audits if we did dumb shit like this.

[–] Pleonasm@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

JavaScript paywalls are not real paywalls. So no, Firefox can't bypass real paywalls.

Unlucky for your company to have a CISO with such poor reading comprehension.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 2 points 1 year ago

JavaScript paywalls are not real paywalls. So no, Firefox can’t bypass real paywalls.

Alright... Find me a page where archive.is can bypass the paywall... that Firefox cannot.

Unlucky for your company to have a CISO with such poor reading comprehension.

I'm going to refer you to my previous statement

You just said “real paywalls”, assuming that someone would understand what the hell you’re talking about… When you communicate poorly, don’t be mad when people don’t understand you.

You didn't mention "Only Javascript" until just now... And for some reason you believe that those are fake? You've got some weird definitions here.