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[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I, a socialist, hate markets. They are simplistic and functional artifacts of the available way to pass information.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So, you would never trade with someone else something you have for something they have? You want to be entirely self sufficient?

If this isn't true, why do think markets serve no purpose?

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you really think all exchange of goods is a market?

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So Christmas gifts are a market?

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No because I don't give you a gift only if you give me one. It's not a transaction. They are gifts.

...but you turned it into a semantic point. If I farm sheep and you bake bread, it's a market when I trade you wool for bread. If trade even as basic as this can't occur then you're relying on everyone to be self-sufficient.

The alternative is you're expecting everyone to put everything they produce into a kitty which is distributed to all, and I think that is a sure fire recipe for everyone to go hungry and for society to stagnate. There's little incentive to be productive, and no incentive to be inventive.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Hunger is such a poor motivator.