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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

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Found this because an article on Helen Toner popped up in my feed and I wanted to find out more, and boy did I find out more.

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[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To be clear, it's because he played Edward Snowden in a movie. That's the conspiracy.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ah forgot to mention that, now it makes sense

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 16 points 11 months ago

No it does not make sense.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Those are my facts. Now for my interpretation.

This is going to haunt me for a while.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 12 points 11 months ago

Dread it; run from it; my interpretation arrives all the same.

[–] carlitoscohones@awful.systems 6 points 11 months ago

LOL. One board member is in the CIA "milieu" because of her college major, another has a husband who played Edward Snowden, and they both "presumably" voted to oust Sam Altman. With that kind of rock-solid fact pattern, you just know the reasoning is going to be airtight.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

paragraph before that is also special

Either way, this means that the EAs on the board, who both presumably voted to oust Sam Altman as CEO, are adjacent to the US intelligence community, and/or its critics, many of whom are intelligence veterans anyway.

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 8 points 11 months ago

All factual and counter-factual statements are evidence for my position. Heads I win, tails you lose.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

but you see, adderal is actually very safe for my exceptional ~~customers~~ patients and risk of paranoia is overblown

certain sfba shrink, possibly

[–] sue_me_please@awful.systems 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is he still taking clients or did he go full into writing for cryptofascists full time?

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

i have no idea, but why wouldn't he? psychiatrist career pays handsomely on its own, you don't need grift-centered superstructure

[–] sue_me_please@awful.systems 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He made a big deal about how his career would be ruined and he'd have to stop his public practice if he was "doxxed"

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

well look, now it's public knowledge, and not since yesterday

i have a sneaking suspiction that he wanted to stay moderately low profile (to public) and/or avoid broad criticism. his clinic page is one search away if you type "scott siskind md"

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Makes sense

E: I recalled I noticed the 'Helen is CIA' thing before, and checked, different commenter.. Anyway im happy the CIA is taking this seriously, and im not just saying that because im a secret AIVD spy.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I believe there's a normal progression for any cult where they are convinced that The Man is out to get them.

[–] GSV_Spinnaker@awful.systems 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This seems like abnormal paranoia even for LW, maybe they're getting worse. I really do they don't drive too many people nuts with anxiety :<. Fun as it is to poke at them, cults are depressing things.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You would say that as an NSA member. ;)

But jokes aside, while it is very unlikely it isn't totally impossible that some spooks are doing things. Iirc during the end of the 90's the AIVD was hacked and it was revealed that they had a few informants inside the Dutch hacker scene/universites, at least that is a store I heard. Of course an informant will not have 'works for CIA' on their resume.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 11 months ago

NatSec types, being naturally paranoid and probably inherently rightwing, would probably be drawn to EA like flies on shit.

Incidentally, in Sterling’s Heavy Weather there’s a description of a group of dark triad negative EA types, where smart people are recruited to lower the population of the book’s grimdark future.