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[–] ADHDefy@kbin.social 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I get the impression that many Gen Zers like to know where everyone is all the time. It's totally normal for them to have each other's GPS locations. Snapchat has a built-in map feature where you can watch your friends move around in real time, and there are other apps that offer this, too. I was blown away when I learned this was so commonly used and people just leave it on, so their social group just knows precisely where they are all the time.

[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I never really understood the "I have nothing to hide" mindset. I've always been for privacy. I self host everything I use, and when I don't (e-mail) I PAY someone to do it for me. No Google services in my life, no apple, etc, etc.

However, more and more I'm wondering if what I'm doing is worth it. Really, the people who "have nothing to hide" seem fine, nothing bad has happened, and it seems far more likely my information was leaked from a hack (credit carma I'm looking at you). Credit cards know where I am, what I buy.... Its endless. Plus now I have stress about my self hosted services going down.

So these guys who share their location and just live in blissful ignorance, are they on to something? I think life would be 'easier' for me on their side...

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I never really understood the “I have nothing to hide” mindset.

This subject is best summed up by the Girl in Andrew Niccol's vastly underrated movie Anon:

"It's not that I have something to hide, I have nothing I want you to see"

This is the most intelligent, best articulated commentary on privacy I've ever seen and it fits in 17 words.

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[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you need to find a happy medium. I've accepted that I can't control ALL the data I generate, so I instead aggressively block ads and any other marketing attempts towards me.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, it all boils down to your threat model. Not everyone has the time, resources, or know-how to self-host everything, so it’s about balancing convenience with privacy, which unfortunately is almost one or the other now.

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[–] smeg@feddit.uk 19 points 1 year ago

They'll learn the hard way. Hopefully the hard way is something serious to them but ultimately inconsequential like finding out a partner is cheating, and not like... being murdered.

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[–] neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 66 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Article reads as propaganda. No way that zoomers are into this. This just sounds like justification for abusive parents to spy on their children. As a GenZ, I don't recall having a single friend with this kind of arrangement with their parents, but then again I mostly hung around the more questionable crowd where you actually needed privacy. Would really hope we stop bickering among generations and actually fight for privacy together

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For real, how are Millennials falling for the same headlines that were used to spread stupid assumptions about their own generation a decade ago, but this time about Gen Z?

Contrast to you, I hang out with a pretty straight laced crowd, and we also don’t “track each other on Snapchat” like the article or the top comment here is saying because that’s fucking weird.

What’s gonna be the Gen Z avocado toast headline, I wonder…

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[–] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Article reads as propaganda

More like advertising. I'd put down a pretty big bet that Life360 sponsored this article and probably wrote a fair chunk of the copy, too.

[–] SinAdjetivos 9 points 1 year ago

Advertising is just propaganda where the politick is centered around consumerism.

However, even if you consider that "not a real politic" this article skips past the consumerism and straight into police state normalization.

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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

This is arguably the first generation that grew up with zero privacy. Being watched is normal to them - and absolutely horrifying for this Gen-Xer.

[–] Onii-Chan@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Horrifying for this millennial too.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

this gen x'er isn't keen on the idea, either. before the days of cell phones, the street lights coming on was the cue it was time to go home--and we could go pretty much anywhere in our (small) town. and later as a teen when we lived close to a city, all mom wanted to know was whether i'd be home for supper. there was no worry because every 'horrible' thing to happen to a kid wasn't published or broadcast for the world to see.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aren’t Gen Z kids being raised by Gen X’ers? So wouldn’t it stand to reason that their parents are enabling and pushing this?

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago

Yes. Strange isn't it?

Gen-Xers are also guilty of letting corporate surveillance happen, thereby letting their children grow under the watchful eye of big data.

I never said my generation was virtuous. In fact, I blame people my age for not affording the next generation what they themselves got to enjoy. Just like we blamed our boomer parents for enjoying the good life after the war and leaving us the crumbs. Little did we know the ones after us would have it even harder.

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[–] sag@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

GenZ here. I don't think so.

[–] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My family tried to make me install the Spy360 crap last year.

My GPS spoofer made them regret that 🙂. A few check ins all around the world later (and other chaos) and they basically asked me to uninstall it. Lmao.

It pays to be more tech literate than your parents.

Back on topic, I don't know very many people who have this thing who actually like it, so idk where the hell this article gets it's sources..

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please tell me you're educating your family in privacy issues. This tracking circumstance is an excellent opportunity to approach it with a education mindset instead of the stereotypical kids/parents conflict.

Check out www.theprivacydad.com it's a great starting point for parents who don't know tech enough to realize what's going on.

[–] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They don't care. We have ring doorbells and everything, no matter how many times I point to examples of these things being used for evil, they just brush it off.

They're the "I have nothing to hide" and "I don't care" type. And there's no convincing them.

I'll check out this link, though

EDIT: To clarify, I had resisted it and argued against it for a few months before it was actually installed. Using a Pinephone during that time stopped the stupidly invasive thing from working and I wasn't using my S10e as my main phone for that reason 🤣

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[–] lol@lemy.lol 31 points 1 year ago

I'm 18 and fine with my parents knowing where I am so we can coordinate mealtimes and stuff. I really don't care for having a third party spy on me 24/7 though. We just Signal each other "I'm at xyz location, be back soon" and that's plenty enough.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

I know it's just some rag bait nonsense, but I know as a fact most teens would never want their parents to constantly know where they are and monitor them constantly.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

OP this post is just outrage bait. Business insider? Really?

[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago

Business Insider? Hardly knew 'er.

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[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

I am Gen Z and I'm not fine with that. I chose to go to college far from where I grew up so that I would be independent and free and do stuff on my own accord, like buying a motorcycle.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 22 points 1 year ago

Used to share my location with my dad until he kept sending me a McDonald's order everytime I was at McDonald's. Then turned it off, lol. My mum still has it.

[–] super_user_do@feddit.it 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm a gen zer and I would absolutely freak out. I'd rather not going out rather than being spied 24/7 by my parents. Seriously, this is the best way to kill trust between children and their parents. Now even the social relationship between parents and children has to be extremely toxic and anxiogenic as a basic minimum requirement

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[–] variants@possumpat.io 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean their parents have probably been tracking them since they were kids so they just grew up thinking it's normal, I also recently learned kids in school feel awkward if they aren't walking to class while on their phone because then they feel like people will think they aren't cool enough to have people to talk to at all times

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This makes me sad. My brother and his wife always tracked my niece and nephew, and I feel like it did more harm than good. I remember agreeing to drive my nephew to buy fireworks, and on the way home I swung by Target to pick up my best friend a gift for his wedding, and my sister in law called my nephew and threatened to take his phone away because he wasn't where he said he was going. Granted, I could have called, but it was a quick stop, and I didn't know at the time they were watching him 24/7.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is important to differentiate between able to know and contact tracking to enable controlling behavior. Knowing to help with communication and transportation arrangements is great, but nitpicking an extra stop on the way home to Target? Sheesh.

[–] rgb3x3 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is really what it comes down to, I think. When my newborn daughter gets old enough to have a phone and go out on your own, you bet I'm going to make sure I am able to know where she is at all times.

But I'm going to trust her to do the right thing and make good decisions, so I won't be demanding she go only where I designate. Kids need to be able to do their own thing and learn through experience. The better lesson is to have them check in with a text every now and then, because it's the respectful thing to do with family.

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[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I recently saw a video clip by Josh Strife Hayes. He was talking about MMORPG culture, but it can be extended beyond that. It's about the inability of people to be bored and impatience. Old people can manage with being bored. They can spend an hour not doing much of anything. But the further you go in time, the less patience people have. And that's not because they are better or worse humans inherently, it's because they grew up in an society where things increasingly got busy. So it also isn't a binary old people/young people, but a progressing state of people getting blasted more and more with stuff.

This is to the point where there are YouTube videos where people cut away little bits of space between sentences just so there isn't even a second of calm. Social media plattforms just bury you under content and new content suggestions. A lot of games don't even want to risk downtime and just throw all kinds of random content at you for you to work through., quick travel so you won't have a few minutes of calm walking somewhere. Just content back to back with more content.

And this ultimately leads to way more stuff for you than you can consume and an inreasing fear of missing out on something if you're not constantly on the ball.

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[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Life360 is the subject and the surveyor for this article so take it with a grain of salt. They want this to be normal. However, it does not change the fact that clearly Gen Z is more open to this than previous generations at least to some degree.

As a parent, I do plan on using the services, but definitely not daily and I want my kids to have a say in the matter. What’s important is they feel safe.

[–] nightdice@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago

Speaking as GenZ (or Millennial, depends who you ask for the definition): fuuuuck that.

Speaking to the article specifically: I don't trust a surveillance vendor to work honestly when surveying the acceptance of their surveillance tool. The article also fails to mention (if it does, it's so brief I missed it) that the pressure some parents put on their kids to install and allow these kinds of spyware is immense. The kid having it on does not equate to the kid choosing to have it on.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago

Im fine with my parents knowing where i am the only problem is that i would also share my location with big daddy google and im not fine with that. And my parents are divorced so i wouldnt share it with my dad... Also it would drain my battery

I'm ok with my parents knowing where I am at all times(frankly, they don't care much about that which is good)

I'm not ok with meta knowing about it

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 13 points 1 year ago

Business Insider is straight AIDS

[–] 0as16@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are more secure location sharing apps out there that are end to end encrypted. My family uses Zood location https://www.zood.xyz/ when we are out and about and needing to coordinate our locations. It is handy to use sometimes but it doesn't do all the spy stuff the other apps do.

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[–] Blackout@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

It seems really pathetic to me when parents can't offer their teens privacy. I have a child and I want him to trust me. Invading privacy feels like it would have the opposite effect and create a very one-sided relationship. You can ask my mom how much she knows about me now and its considerably less than my boxing mates.

[–] MasterBuilder@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

*rolls D-100* ... I disbelieve!

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never cared that my parents knew where he was because I was never trying to do anything particularly nefarious and my parents weren't completely buttheads.

But this was pre mobile phone days (my first phone was a Nokia Ngage), so if I went out they wouldn't be able to contact me in an emergency so it made sense to say oh I'm going to x house here is ther phone number. Now that mobile phones exist maybe that requirement no longer exists.

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[–] CleoTheWizard 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I actually think these apps are perfectly fine, I just think that you should have to request the location from the phone and then that request also alerts the kid.

I’ll paint a different picture for parents in this thread. Gen Z does not have adequate social spaces in which to exist. So when you say “hey I’m going to track you” it’s like oh cool, track me going where exactly? To basketball practice and back? Or to the mall so you can know which store I’m in?

Parents are gaining more and more control over their kids and I don’t think it’s good. They aren’t independent people. As a kid I hated having zero autonomy, it sucked. So all this is achieving is making kids feel like it’s less hassle to just stay at home and play video games.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

My problem with these apps is twofold:

Primarily it means these companies know where your kids are, and they are building a dB of locations and other info of the kid (likely including online activity via other ops on the phone, etc), starting tracking early.

Second, it's a poor way to manage trust between parents and kids. I refuse to use it, and refuse to help anyone I know use it, and explain to them why.

If you don't trust your kids, then work on resolving that issue. And before anyone says "I trust my kids but not other people", well, you gonna go everywhere with them to protect them from other people, or teach them how to navigate life, and learn to develop their own independent judgement?

There are self-hostable tracking systems. One is in my queue to setup for family/friends. It'll be configured so anyone in a circle can use it, but these people trust each other. We intend it for arrival/departure notifications more than anything.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The rising popularity of location tracking apps such as Life360 suggests that young people are increasingly happy for their parents to be able to see where they are all the time.

Other apps such as Google's Family Link and Apple's Find My are also being used by Gen Z to share their location with parents and friends while they travel to school, drive – or even during dates.

Location tracking can be turned off and on so that a user can maintain privacy when they want it, but according to a 2022 survey carried out by The Harris Poll, 16% of US adults have the setting activated all the time.

"The turbulence of Gen Z's adolescence spawned a mental health crisis that was only amplified by the pandemic, social media, and the 24-hour news cycle," said Dr Michele Borba, a educational psychologist and spokesperson for Life360.

Seventy-two percent of GenZ female respondents said they believed their physical wellbeing benefits from location sharing, per the survey.

"There's an intimacy that's intertwined with that act," Michael Sake, a senior lecturer in digital sociology at City, University of London, told The New York Times.


The original article contains 419 words, the summary contains 191 words. Saved 54%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

There was a great Black Mirror episode about constant parental supervision.

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