Correct, and they could technically be at risk of getting their account banned if they consider those as possible alt-accounts for ban evasion too.
this post was submitted on 10 Oct 2023
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What if somebody at, let’s say, a Starbucks gets banned, would every costumer be at risk?
Reddit should be able to tell by the number of different accounts that connect through an IP like that that it's not a home wifi network and treat it accordingly, the question is do they actually do that (probably cuz otherwise you'd never be able to connect through a VPN lol)
But... CG-NAT. Most people don't have their own IP, so how do you deal with this?
Either they’ll see it like some kind of public WiFi, or there’ll be collateral damage. But keep in mind that CG-NAT usually only applies to IPv4, so if your ISP and home network support IPv6, Reddit won’t have said problem and see you IPv6 address.
They most likely don't rely on a single metric to determine if someone is evading a ban. False-positives can happen though.
I can’t say how they do it now, but it used to happen all of the time. A service would ban an IP that was shared, or even a range of IPs if the traffic was disruptive enough. Then the owner would have to contact the service to have their ban removed.
I’ve run into IP ban messages from both hotel WiFi and from VPN addresses.
Yes. I was IP banned from Reddit and my wife’s account got banned as well on her devices (I never once used her devices to log into my account).
This can be circumvented with a vpn, but why bother. Reddit is a toxic site that is meant to show you ads and get you enraged so you engage.
I still miss it. It was a good entertaining time killer that has no replacement so far. I was in a lot of music and guitar subs that were fun to interact in
For me I found that it was full of people who desperately wanted to be right about everything.
I was banned from the 3Dprinting sub after posting a print in front of a 3D printer that was not the subreddit’s recommended printer and after I was called out for having “the wrong printer” I accused the multiple users of acting like they were in a cult. That resulted in a ban. Even my hobby subs were filled with unnecessary negativity.
There is much less content here but I fill it with as much interesting content I can because it’s friendlier here.
Don't listen to this guy he uses the wrong 3D printer.
I’ve committed the mortal sin of using a Flashforge instead of an Ender 3
I'm suspect of their claim as I was in the 3D printing subreddit as well and never witnessed anyone suggesting the Ender printers were the printer to buy. They're just dirt cheap so many people buy them as a first printer, but even die hard Ender users will tell you they're not great to own without tons of mods.
I've definitely witnessed this phenomenon in other subreddits though (HomeNetworking > Ubiquiti, Headphones > AudioTechnica).
I don't doubt their claim. Redditors gatekeeping? Seems totally on brand to me.
It's complicated.
Reddit doesn't seem to ban an IP specifically, but they have ways of figuring out if accounts are associated. For instance, I was permanently banned for suggesting arson as a way of dealing with nazis moving in down the street. (I guess Reddit thinks that this is "encouraging violence", as if Nazis were human?). I always use a VPN. When I changed my location and logged in to an alternate account, that account got banned also. I made an account from a different computer a few days later, also with a VPN, and that account was banned as well; I had previously logged into my 1st account from that computer.
So I think that there's some kind of digital fingerprinting going on. I should have fingerprinting blocked on my computer, but it's still happening, somehow; there must be some kind of hardware configuration information that it's able to scrape that gives it a high enough degree of certainty that I'm me.. The only solution that I was able to come up with--I have not actually tried this--was replacing my computer entirely, and then creating a new account.
EDIT: I'm curious to see what would happen if I tried to log into my banned account from my wife's laptop. She has a reddit account; would they see me using her laptop as proof that her real account is one of my alternate accounts? IDK.
One does not simply "block fingerprinting". Fingerprinting is incredibly complicated and very hard to avoid. You need VPN, Browser with no extentions and fixed windowsize (tor or mullvad), frequent cookie deletion, even the installed fonts/language packs can give them identifiers...
EFF has a good test which tests your browser
If you have JavaScript enabled all this is useless. So add "disable JS" onto the list.
I just checked their tool. With a brand-new private browsing window open, connected through a VPN, and a fair amount of blocking shit layered into my browser, it's showing that I'm blocking ads and trackers, but that I still have a unique fingerprint. Even tools like canvas blocker aren't preventing it. Running it through Tor, I have a non-unique fingerprint, but Reddit doesn't play nicely with the Tor browser. Attempting to use different clean installs of browsers (Vivaldi, Brave, Edge, Chrome (incognito mode), etc.) all have me as unique. Fonts could def. do it; I have to have a ton installed on my workstation.
Now that I recall, I started an account using cellular and it was banned hours later, still on cellular.
My alts work just fine with a VPN after being banned.
Normally yes, but they may only do it for the "evil people using a hardened Browser" as they will recognize everyone of those Chrome, Edge or Safari users perfectly. Along with Opera, Vivaldi, Samsung Internet etc
Your IP address changes every 24h, doesnt it? How are IP bans effective at all?
Maybe yours does, but that's not universal in the slightest
I was talking about ipv4 addresses. There is no interner service provider that I'm aware of that gives non-business customers static ipv4 addresses.
I have a shitty $30 spectrum plan in NY and my IP hasn't changed in 2 years. From what I understand, they don't reserve it, but they don't change it either
yeah, my IP changed once in 5 years or so.
I had 65.25.55.55 for over two years, even after multiple router reboots. It took a modem upgrade to lose me my address.
That the address is dynamic does not imply it changes every 24 hours.
Didnt realize that they dont do this everywhere.
Dynamic yes, objecting to 24h. Many places keep the same dynamic address for months or years
I would think so, unless you used a VPN or your IP changed (or if you used IPv6 I think)
There is only going to be one IP address per house in most cases. If you check https://www.whatismyip.com/ on any computer in the same household it should come up with the same result.
In my experience, no. Reddit does not suspend based on IPs.