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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The Conservative leader has called on Trudeau to “come clean” about the evidence behind the allegation against India, saying Canadians deserve more facts.

Singh said Tuesday he does not support that call.

“They’re matters of national security and so information cannot be released beyond the general statements that were released,” he said.

Oh look, Poilievre's taking childish populist shots while Singh is acting like a grown-up. What a surprise.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pierre is that "I dont want solutions I want to be mad" meme incarnate.

The guy was invited to see the evidence and won't go. What a joke.

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The Conservative leader has called on Trudeau to “come clean” about the evidence behind the allegation against India, saying Canadians deserve more facts.

Poilievre has so far rejected getting the clearance needed

Of course he's gonna complain about it instead of getting his clearance to review the material and make a well-informed complaint about it.

[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Poilievre needs to grow up put on pants and be a man. How the F are you expected to exercise judgement as a leader without getting proper security clearance? Are you hiding something?

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really. He's supposed to be the leader of the Loyal Opposition. If he's not privy to intelligence he can't really understand what's in the national interest. So he doesn't know when it's time to be loyal and when it's time to be in opposition.

[–] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah he’s not coming across as someone ready for the responsibility of being prime minister.

He did the same thing with the China scandal, refused to get briefed and then complained he wasn’t briefed.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With the China thing he showed incompetence even at Trudeau hating. Had this big scandal dropped in his lap, then got distracted by some changes to passport pages. Who even noticed there were watermarked images in our passports, much less cared that they were being changed?

The guy is just an idiot all around.

[–] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I liked the old passport design a lot, but the new one makes me remember all the joys of growing up in Canada, which I’m also happy to look at.

[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No no! See it's all Justin! Just-insecurity!

Also, no comment on abortion, LGBT+ rights, indigenous affairs…

Did I wink? No I don't recall that. I just need to go hang out with these very fine people over here protesting at hospitals and schools.


But seriously, PP isn't really selling policy per se. He mostly just seems to be jumping on the F∆ck Trudeau bandwagon.

I'm sure he's got some policy platforms, but it's certainly not his main talking points.

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 2 points 1 year ago

@Grimpen @RandAlThor

He doesn't have any. That's the problem.

[–] Cobrachickenwing@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

He was an MP for many years, with Rick Mercer mocking him for getting a MP pension at age 31. How can he not get security clearance by now? Something doesn't pass the smell test.

Yes. He's hiding that he's part of the same organization as Modi, and that organization is led by Stephen Harper.

It has a goal of infecting global politics with far right rhetoric.

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 3 points 1 year ago

@mp3 @grte

And still people wanna vote for his dumb ass.

[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Top-Secret security clearances should be mandatory for all party leaders and deputy leaders.

Pierre Poilievre is a coward.

[–] such_lettuce7970@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pierre Poilievre is a snivelling little weasel.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"I dont want security clearance I want to be mad" -PP

[–] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If pp would quit being a fucking child and just get his security clearance he could read the intelligence briefing too.

[–] zaphod@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Maybe he's afraid the public will find out he's ineligible for some reason...

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but then it would be harder to harangue the PM about this. He's said as much.

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago

When US says they have intel, why the fuck you even question it? Your android, apple devices data is with the US government. India, get your act together and go to jail.

How to put India behind bars? 🤔

[–] CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

I think Singh weighing in adds a lot of credibility to Trudeau actions

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What I don't understand is even if this "clear intelligence" is 100% confirmed and not Canada's low key version of "weapons of mass destruction," why is this playing out over public channels like a reality TV show? With diplomatic norms in mind, I would expect this is the kind of thing that should be discussed behind closed doors only (not leaving out families involved) until/unless proven in the courts.

Is there some reason I'm not thinking of that tensions should be stoked even if there is still a chance they can be averted? Normally this kind of info would only be revealed if there was a case being made for a certain plan of action, but it's pointed out in the article that the investigation is underway. What is the goal of disseminating this?

Quote of the US Ambassador, from the article:

He said he does not generally comment on “private diplomatic conversations,” but added: “There was a lot of communication between Canada and the United States about this, and I think that’s as far as I’m comfortable going.”

While details are classified, this just sounds like gossip. :/

[–] zaphod@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's already been heavily reported that Canadian officials did bring this up with Indian officials behind closed doors. India refused to assist in any way. So now the government is going public because a) Canadians deserve to know what's going on and that they're defending our sovereignty, and b) to create pressure on the Indian government.

This isn't that mysterious.

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I appreciate your response. I'd already considered those reports so I can see this is just something I'll have to be in the minority on. To me, it's similar to how (as a parallel) news channels have for decades reported specific crime incidents in a more entertainment-focused fashion that doesn't help anyone, and just seems to be about titillating people who are into true crime instead of talking about overall statistical trends, expectations, &/or possible policy adjustments.

What do we, as Canadians, do with this knowledge? How does it help us or make us safer? What do Indian Canadians, travellers, and people who do business with India do with this info? Just feels like we're jumping the gun with our collective national sentiments of late, and it reminds me a lot of certain volatile eras of past history.