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Right now, could you prepare a slice of toast with zero embodied carbon emissions?

Since at least the 2000s, big polluters have tried to frame carbon emissions as an issue to be solved through the purchasing choices of individual consumers.

Solving climate change, we've been told, is not a matter of public policy or infrastructure. Instead, it's about convincing individual consumers to reduce their "carbon footprint" (a term coined by BP: https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/23/big-oil-coined-carbon-footprints-to-blame-us-for-their-greed-keep-them-on-the-hook).

Yet, right now, millions of people couldn't prepare a slice of toast without causing carbon emissions, even if they wanted to.

In many low-density single-use-zoned suburbs, the only realistic option for getting to the store to get a loaf of bread is to drive. The power coming out of the mains includes energy from coal or gas.

But.

Even if they invested in solar panels, and an inverter, and a battery system, and only used an electric toaster, and baked the loaf themselves in an electric oven, and walked/cycled/drove an EV to the store to get flour and yeast, there are still embodied carbon emissions in that loaf of bread.

Just think about the diesel powered trucks used to transport the grains and packaging to the flour factory, the energy used to power the milling equipment, and the diesel fuel used to transport that flour to the store.

Basically, unless you go completely off grid and grow your own organic wheat, your zero emissions toast just ain't happening.

And that's for the most basic of food products!

Unless we get the infrastructure in place to move to a 100% renewables and storage grid, and use it to power fully electric freight rail and zero emissions passenger transport, pretty much all of our decarbonisation efforts are non-starters.

This is fundamentally an infrastructure and public policy problem, not a problem of individual consumer choice.

#ClimateChange #urbanism #infrastructure #energy #grid #politics #power @green

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[–] 18107@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The best lie from the fossil fuel industry is putting the burden of responsibility on the individual, and not the corporations.
The idea of a "carbon footprint" was created by the fossil fuel industry to convince people and governing bodies that individual people are the problem (and solution), and to distract from the pollution caused by industries.

There is so much completely unnecessary waste in industries that individuals couldn't possibly compete with. Most people aren't even aware of how much is wasted before the products even reach them.

The best way to fight climate change is to hold companies accountable.

[–] jwcph@norrebro.space 1 points 1 year ago

@18107 @ajsadauskas - which means the best way to fight is politica. Yes, I know this sucks immensely, I know it's slow, unforgiving, difficult - but it's the only way.

"- and let them know that if they don't do it, I will rain hellfire down on them all. I will show them that government is more powerful than any corporation, and the only reason they think it tilts the other way is because of civil servants looking for a fat private sector handout..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A98vqgBsoxQ

[–] benchwhistler@mastodon.scot 1 points 1 year ago

@18107 @ajsadauskas so the 100 million barrels of oil supplied, purchased by consumers and burned into the atmosphere every day has no effect on the climate. That’s good to know. I mistakenly thought my gas boiler, my petrol car and all the plastic I was putting into recycling was harming the planet. Phew. I’m off to fill up my tank.

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[–] anne_twain@theblower.au 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@ajsadauskas @green I buy foods that have been produced as close as possible to my home. It's insane to buy milk from Queensland (3000 km away) when we have dairies here in Sth Australia.

Buying local often means buying what's in season locally and doing without for the rest of the year. This is also the cheapest way to buy fresh food.

While you're right that governments have the most power to make change, individuals can signal our willingness to make change without waiting for government.

#climateSurvival #climateAdaptation

[–] cdamian@rls.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@anne_twain
It's complex though. Transport is usually a tiny fraction of the CO2 emissions of growing food.
Most of the time a sustainable business further away will be better than buying local.
@ajsadauskas @green

[–] anne_twain@theblower.au 1 points 1 year ago

@cdamian @ajsadauskas @green Did you miss the 3000 km part? Then there's the strawberries that come from 3000 km in another direction.

Also, when I'm standing in the supermarket looking at the range of a dozen different milk brands, how do I know which one is sustainable? If they claim to be sustainable, how do I know it's not just green washing?

I'm sorry but the nay-sayers commenting here have not convinced me. I think you just want me to be wrong.

[–] jackofalltrades@mas.to 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@ajsadauskas @green

Why not both?

Individuals need to change their expectations and consumption patterns, while the policy and infrastructure need to change in tandem.

You are not going to get radical reforms from the government without popular support from the population. That requires sacrifices and changes in societal norms.

In your toast example, the option that is available to everyone right now is to _not_ make the toast.

Just eat the damn bread.

You don't need a toast.

[–] scottmatter@aus.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@jackofalltrades @ajsadauskas @green

The zero emissions option, unfortunately, is to not eat. Whether it’s bread or toast.

[–] Incognitim@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago

@scottmatter @jackofalltrades @ajsadauskas @green

Your diet could be a MASSIVE net negative if all you ate was billionaires. 😅

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[–] susankayequinn@wandering.shop 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@ajsadauskas @green Fossil fuel companies are terrified we'll work together to change what's socially acceptable—the rich will be shamed out of their yachts, EVs will be mainstream, local governments will outlaw housing gas hookups. They fight this propaganda & greenwashing (& "carbon footprint" rhetoric). The rich (people, countries) have a moral obligation to help the poor transition to a just, green economy... but we don't "wait around" for that to happen. We force it to happen by organizing.

[–] deirdresm@hachyderm.io 1 points 1 year ago

@ajsadauskas @green Mains power may be coal or gas, but the efficiency of mains power (and the efficiency of scrubbers) is far greater than a car’s. So, from an operating fuel perspective, an EV is greener, even if imperfect.

[–] DarcMoughty@infosec.exchange 1 points 1 year ago

@ajsadauskas @green So, let's talk about what it would take to get the farming, processing, and transport of foods and other goods, along with the energy used in a home to come from renewables.

In that way, the Carbon Footprint isn't such a bad way to think about it, the same tool intended to make individuals feel responsible can open our eyes to the kinds of change needed far beyond our individual reach.

Do we need to modernize and electrify domestic goods transit? I think it's probably a good idea (and honestly, I think self-driving long-haul electric freight is a great idea, along with a high speed electric freight and passenger rail network).

Do we need existing fossil fuel power generator sites to host energy storage facilities? (That's where most of the transmission wires traverse, much better than asking people to install batteries in their basements)?

Do we need a 'space race' style government & private push to design and build electrified farm equipment and smart irrigation systems, which we can ultimately tie to the Farm Bill to switch our food producers over to electrified farming?

[–] DavidM_yeg@mstdn.ca 1 points 1 year ago

@ajsadauskas @green

This is what they do: convince everyone everything is a matter of personal choice.

Tobacco: framed as personal choice
Transportation: personal choice
Climate response: choice
Public health / masking: choice-ified

Who does that serve? The wealthy and powerful, because a population that learns it can work together to solve problems and find solutions that make life better will eventually figure out that together we can solve the problem of *them*

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