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Ukraine's National Corruption Prevention Agency added major food corporations PepsiCo and Mars to the "international sponsors of war" list on Sept. 1.

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[–] frustratedphagocytosis@kbin.social 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not surprised that a company named after the god of war is an international war sponsor

[–] outbound@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually, Mars was named after its founder, Franklin Clarence Mars.

[–] jcg@halubilo.social 19 points 1 year ago

Franklin Clarence Mars (/ˈmɑːrz/; September 24, 1883 – April 8, 1935) was an American business magnate who founded the food company Mars, Incorporated, which mostly makes chocolate candy. Mars' son Forrest Edward Mars developed M&M's and the Mars bar. He is also widely believed to be the god of war.

[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

@Cloudless & I maintain a zine tracking all Sponsors of Russia's invasion at https://kbin.social/m/SponsorsOfRussianInvasion . We use multiple sources viz. Ukraine govt sites, Yale's tracker, and credible news sources.

We also have a zine tracking business who have rejected to support Russia's invasion and have exited Russia at https://kbin.social/m/BizAgainstRussianInvasion

[–] NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you kindly. Just subbed to both 😁🍻

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Doesn't stop Ukraine from buying drones built by Xiaomi and sold/distributed by Alibaba.

[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see why it would. It's not like they're in a position to not buy from wherever they can.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hardly makes Alibaba and Xiaomi sponsors of war 🤷‍♀️

[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn't affect it one way or the other. What does is their continuing operations in Russia, who started and is continuing the war.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So...? How does that affect the sale of consumer electronics?

[–] Cube6392 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The sponsors of war list is a list of companies circumventing everyone else's efforts to place a defacto embargo on Russia to show that their actions have consequences. When companies cross that picket line, they undermine the entire exercise, making it easier for Russia to continue operations. The idea, for the rest of us, is to in turn boycott the companies on the list so they'll also experience their actions have consequences.

We have that luxury right now. Ukraine does not. So the idea is that we can help Ukraine by not doing business with companies that are making extra special bonus money by selling their products with a defacto monopoly in Russia right now

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Who's efforts? From what I can see, only North America and Europe have joined in this so-called international embargo. In fact, not even Mexico has any sanctions against Russia.

What's the motivation for including companies based in countries that haven't called for trade restrictions?

Sure, I agree fully that countries based in Europe or North America should follow government policy or relocate, but I'm not expecting companies to behave outside of the policy detailed by their government.

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[–] DrM@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If you buy a drone for lets say 1000$ from Xiaomi via AliBaba, 100$ of those go to AliBaba maybe 1$ goes to Russia. from the 900$ left for Xiaomi, 600 are gone for the production. 300 left, 3 go to Russia. 4$ for Russia. But if this drone helps invalidate only one russian soldier, that 4$ are easily worth 100000$. If it helps invalidate a tank, it goes to the millions. Thats easily worth it if there is no alternative

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Where the fuck is the money going to Russia from?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bacardi? It would be off-brand for them to not back dictatorships.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well deserved. Let's boycott those fuckers.

[–] argv_minus_one 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's not how you spell “imprison the C-suite of”. Last time I read the Constitution, giving aid and comfort to America's enemies was treason.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 23 points 1 year ago

Yeah but America is not at war with Russia. Ukraine is. They might not be allies, and not on friendly terms whatsoever, but there's still a line to be crossed before considering them as actual enemies.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, during wartime. The US is not at war with Russia.

[–] argv_minus_one 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Could've fooled me. I was under the impression we were sending weapons and trainers to one of our allies who are fighting them. Sounds like an enemy to me.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

Because you're going by feelings and not actual definitions. Which is fine when speaking colloquially, but if you want to take country-level actions, you better have some law to base that on.

[–] lorez@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But I love Mars. It's so delicious.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You do have a point... Nestlé is also as evil as they come but a KitKat® is so delicious

[–] lorez@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I love KitKat too...so yummy.

[–] Kirkkh@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Wtf are these companies doing. Soda manufacturer’s are at the top in revenue generation and at the bottom in risk. They print liquid money. It’s just moronic to risk the horrid PR of looking like you’re sponsoring a kleptocratic war mongering nation (like the Ukraine just accused you of).

[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FYI: the "the" before Ukraine is superfluous. You can just type "like Ukraine just accused you of."

[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Latecoere@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago

That's the proper name of it. The Ukraine isn't the proper name of Ukraine.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] lud@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about:

  • the England
  • the Germany
  • the France
  • the Sweden
  • the Russia
  • the Poland

Normal country names don't begin with "the"

"The United States of America" makes grammatical sense. "The Ukraine" or any of the above doesn't .

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[–] Cube6392 8 points 1 year ago

The name of Ukraine is Ukraine. "The Ukraine" was a USSR administrative district. The name of The United States is The United States

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, no. They can earn millions with Russia, so they do. Spend half on that in good PR, and you still earned millions in blood money.

And if people get pissed? The news cycle means they'll forget about this in about 3 days so you're good

[–] AssholeDestroyer@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Pepsi has a history in Russia. They once traded the USSR soda in exchange for a fleet of naval ships. IIRC at the time Pepsi had the 4th largest navy in the world. They sold the ships to Norway.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

This explains why LinkedIn was sending out surveys today asking "What do you think about PepsiCo?", "What are the top reasons you would want to work at PepsiCo?", to a bunch of people. The whole thing was extremely weird, and obviously a PR campaign

[–] Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This war brought to you by Rage: Shadow Legends.

[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

You're gonna give people PTSD.

[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(Psst, it's "Raid: Shadow Legends".)

[–] Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

No, I'm not Raid. I'm my own original game, Rage. People really need to get their facts straight...

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll definitely be checking what I buy from these companies and making adjustments to my habits.

Slava Ukraine.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TremblingTelepath@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I bet they donated when the checkout kiosk prompted them for a dollar to Slava hahaha

[–] StickyLavander@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pepsi advertising the fighter jet is making more sense now.

[–] Malgas 9 points 1 year ago

They did also have the sixth largest naval fleet in the world for a brief period in 1989.

As a direct result of trading with Russia, even.

[–] ProfessorGumby@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago
[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Better be careful, I hear Pepsi had the biggest warfleet in the world at one point.

[–] imgprojts@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

As the jingle goes...Pa pa pa pa pa.... Coca-Cola..

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