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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 83 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone point & laugh at the sad tankie in this thread.

[–] balls_expert@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Damn we don't see them on blahaj :<

[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

HexBear and brigading yet another Ukraine thread with misinformation and Kremlin propaganda, name a more iconic duo.

EDIT: It appears that I've triggered the horde.

[–] GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's funny seeing the replies to your comment crying about "not brigading" but then the vast majority of the comments in this post come from hexbear users commenting tankie shit

[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago

It's almost as if they completely lack self-awareness.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Easy way to trigger them:

Ahem...

"Human Rights"

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Interesting, I'm not seeing the hexbears... has my instance blocked them or has hexbear blocked me?

It's kinda a nothing of value lost kinda situation, just curious about why I'm not seeing them any more.

[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yea, they're defederated from your instance. You can check it out in the instances list of each instance under "blocked", here's yours: https://lemmy.ca/instances

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[–] straycat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apparently the thread's got 117 comments, but only yours is showing. Don't they have anything better to do? Seriously...

[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Apparently no 🤷

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[–] thecodemonk@programming.dev 71 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The comment threads here are weird. Who, in their right mind, would ever support a country like Russia? It's mind blowing.

[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl 41 points 1 year ago
[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Tankies claim to not be supporting Russia but only point out issues with Ukraine and believe every bit of info that comes out of Russia.

[–] First@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

Hexbear.net is a Russian nationalist instance... They've grown up under Putin's cencorship and state media brainwashing.

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 35 points 1 year ago

Good for Kyiv. Those armchair generals should shut up and fight if they think things are going slowly.

[–] lntl@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Haters gonna hate. Still though, they'll need to be cordial if some of these critics are also paying Ukrainian bills. Being rude is the fast track to falling out of favor with foriegn taxpayers.

They’re tired and weary from the onslaught of war fringe to safe their country from Putins aggression. Any dig at their progress is a dig at morale that spreads not only through the ranks, but also to the general public. There is a time for constructive criticism, but that should be done in private with actual solutions offered by those criticizing. I understand their needs to be some decorum but you can’t blame them for what I would consider a mild retort as their countrymen die trying to retake their land everyday.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Somewhere in the Pentagon there surely must be a series of rooms isolated for this war. In them intelligence is gathered, counterparts in Ukraine can be in instant contact, resources from both armies are tracked, tactics are formulated, simulations are run. How do I know this? Because this would be too good of a learning opportunity to pass up.

And those folks ain't talking.

[–] DrNeurohax@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

All those folks in the 50+ age group that grew up with "Russia is enemy #1" are probably cycling through waves of intense work and prolonged orgasm.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the first things considered in strategizing any armed conflict is whether they want Russia and China to know that we have X or are capable of Y. Russia has shown their hand. If they could do more, they would have by now.

It has also taught NATO that Russia is still in the barbaric tactics mindset. Hospitals, schools, churches, shipping centers - they're all valid targets. If Russia wants a position, they'll level the entire town. That certainly changes the plans, of anyone thought they would abode by the Geneva Conventions.

[–] rastilin@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

All those folks in the 50+ age group that grew up with "Russia is enemy #1" are probably cycling through waves of intense work and prolonged orgasm.

The ones that haven't suddenly decided that Russia is our best friend all of a sudden for some reason that I still can't figure out. This is even considering that Russia was found to have been paying out bounties on dead American soldiers, or that they had people assassinated in the UK. Certainly it should be a disqualifier that Russia isn't a true Democracy and had Putin's political opponents jailed. Two Democracies won't directly start a conflict against each other, but that doesn't hold up between Democracies and non-Democracies.

My hope is that as Russia runs out of money and organization to fund overseas psyops, the sheen will wear off.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

My hope is that as Russia runs out of money and organization to fund overseas psyops, the sheen will wear off.

Same, feels like the democracies of the world really got caught with their pants down by authoritarian operatives and their LLMs on social media.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Putin will only run out of money once the price of oil nosedives.

That won't happen because Saudi Arabia has been squeezing oil output to keep the price high because they need the money for their countries transformation to a horror Show (different discussion required there) and they basically keep squeezing until the US gives them a whole lot of concessions that they don't want to...

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[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago

The Russians have less tactics and capabilities than NATO thought. Now it is a matter of how quickly they can be overwhelmed should it come to it. Their big problem is mid level command.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It has also taught NATO that Russia is still in the barbaric tactics mindset.

Oh those backwards Russians, still stuck in the past, where they were just a bunch of barbarian hordes. I assume the West, by contrast, has developed a civilized kind of warfare, as befitting their superior civilized culture? That's what you're saying, right?

The civilized West would never... oh yeah they would and they did, repeatedly, and it was worse actually in e.g. Iraq. So all this "barbarism" shit is just racism with no basis in reality.

[–] figaro@lemdro.id 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Or both sides suck and all war is bad, and no one should attack sovereign countries

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[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish we would just go ahead and give ATACMs. It would certainly speed things up.

[–] ParkingPsychology@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm following the combat activities (the actual combat, not high level strategic stuff). It's all mines, mines, mines and then some trench warfare.

No amount of ATACMS can do anything about that. You still have to advance slowly, figure out where the mines are, clean them up or move around them and then take the trenches.

Drones can do a whole lot more good for a whole lot less.

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[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

IMO these critics are used to air superiority which Ukraine doesn't have.

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[–] WuTang@lemmy.ninja 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

As an european taxpayer who see Ukrainian in Jaguar and Audi Q7 driving aroung in my country, I would say to these pain in the ass to shut up! Never seen such an arrogant people, they are in a conflict, getting free supply of everything and they complain!

[–] Summzashi@lemmy.one 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This has to be the dumbest take I've seen on Lemmy yet. Holy shit.

[–] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I... have some news for you.

Sadly, this is the sort of shit parroted amongst less tech savy populations in countries with Ukranian refugees. Mostly older parents, grandparents, older aunts and uncles and such from Eastern Europe (the first port of call usually for refugees - neighboring countries). Hence why you don't see it that often around here. It's present in the west of Europe, as well.

Also quite popular is 'we can't take care of our own [homeless people], but have you seen the amount of money that the government is pumping into them with their fancy cars?'

Oh and "I'm sick and tired of hearing ukranian everywhere I go. The playground is full of ukranian children and their parents that don't speak {local language}!"

I suspect it's russian propaganda, because nobody can be that stupid on their own, right?

Like sure, they have audi q8s. What were they supposed to do? Leave them there and walk towards new places? And if your daughter/son was fleeing invaders, what would you think of the asshats that point at them and say 'go away with yer fancy car!'? I thought we were all on the same page of not wanting russia as a neighbour in the near future. Apparently not. Somehow people running away from actual rape and murder are inconveniencing them.

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[–] BitPirate@feddit.de 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

As an european taxpayer who see Ukrainian in Jaguar and Audi Q7 driving aroung in my country

So you're just jealous because they weren't all beggars when the war broke out?

they are in a conflict, getting free supply of everything and they complain!

A lot of people are getting killed. They have every right to complain.

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[–] MHcharLEE@lemdro.id 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those are the ones you see. How do you tell a Ukrainian from your own countrymen on a bus? They're not all rich, they're not all assholes, they are where they are because they wanted to stay alive. And so would you if you were in their shoes, you dense fuck.

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[–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What a hot and plainly idiotic take.

If you're not shilling for the Russians, you're certainly dense as fuck.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Probably a bot, they love to start their propaganda with "as an X I think that..."

[–] WuTang@lemmy.ninja 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i'm a taxpayer and I don't give a fuck about non-europeand and moreover corrupted countries regarding refugees, they should be treated like the others, no exclusive rights or benefits, waiting in line.

it has nothing to do with being with one or the other.

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[–] figaro@lemdro.id 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Hey,

I know you are getting downvoted and railed on pretty hard here, but please take this moment to reconsider some of your core beliefs and why you might feel the way you do.

Are people fleeing their home country to get rich?

[–] WuTang@lemmy.ninja 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the question is why do they get privileges over other refugees?! their country is not wiped off like lybia or syria , UA is quite intact, so they shouldn't even fly away and if so, we should not provide them wildcard access, but follow the process.

they are refugees which lost everything, qualified and their country sent back to stone age: waiting in line for 3 to 5 years to just get access school, work market and co. They are at the image of their president, arrogant and ungrateful.

I'm just an european taxpayer pissed of!

[–] BitPirate@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

They are at the image of their president, arrogant and ungrateful.

Look at Mr Worldwide over here who knows each and every Ukrainian.

I'm just an european taxpayer pissed of!

Sure.

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[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Diday terb yur jerbs?

[–] _Gr1zzel@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago

You don't flee to get rich, you flee to stay alive. It's no matter of money.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What a coincidence, "shut up" is what I tell people who can't stop talking about Ukraine and Russia.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Nearly three months since launching a much vaunted counteroffensive using hundreds of billions of dollars of Western military equipment, Ukraine has recaptured more than a dozen villages but has yet to penetrate Russia's main defences.

Stories in the New York Times, Washington Post and other news organisations last week quoted U.S. and other Western officials as suggesting the offensive was falling short of expectations.

Ukrainian commanders say they are moving slowly on purpose, degrading Russia's defences and logistics to reduce losses when they finally attack at full strength.

After months of fighting their way through heavy minefields, Ukraine's forces have finally reached the main Russian defensive lines in recent days, south of the village of Robotyne which they captured last week in Western Zaporizhzhia region.

They are now advancing in an area between the nearby villages of Novopokropivka and Verbove, looking for a way around the anti-tank ditches and rows of concrete pyramids known as dragon's teeth that form Russia's main fortifications visible from space.

Russia is also facing the aftermath of a mutiny two months ago by Wagner, a private army that had formed the main attack force of its own winter offensive earlier this year.


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