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cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/1743099

.yaml, .toml, etc?

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[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is no best. It depends on the application

[–] doomkernel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago
[–] balls_expert@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Some applications don't have enough config entries to warrant support for nested entries

Some applications need variable-length data, and some even variable-length lists

Some applications don't care about having fast read/write times or a small memory footprint and can do with more complex formats that require the use of third-party libraries

Some embedded applications (e.g. AVR) don't have access to a whole lot of libraries

[–] silent_squirrel@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago
[–] argv_minus_one 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

JSON is overly verbose and doesn't allow comments. Please do not use it for anything that humans frequently need to read or write.

YAML is a syntactic minefield. Please do not use it for anything ever.

[–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.my.id 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is it syntatic minefield? I find it at least more reasonable than XML. The comment feature is nice to have.

[–] nubbucket 3 points 1 year ago

yaml is susceptible to things like the Norway problem: https://www.bram.us/2022/01/11/yaml-the-norway-problem/

There's also a lot of stuff that can go wrong with deserialisation that make it a tricky dependency for security purposes. I like how yaml looks and it's obviously much better than XML, but it had those potential problems

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

The one already being used by the project.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Definitely not yaml. It's spec is horrible.

Toml is pretty nice though.

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hate table definitions in TOML with a passion.

I like YAML. I guess that's because I don't need to build parsers for it. What's your worst complain about it?

[–] Frederic 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd say a file that you can open with a simple text editor is convenient, so it can be a simple .conf/.ini, more complex are .xml/.yaml that you can still edit in vim/nano but can be cumbersome.

But as others say, it all depends on your app...

[–] notthebees@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Toml is about the same as ini files at least with what I've worked with

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

.ini has never let me down.

[–] Lanthanae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

nix

This post was sponsored by NixOS gang

(jokes aside, json is king. Yaml is a pain in the ass)

[–] drwho 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not XML. Not binary-only (looking at you, Solaris).

Personally, I like .ini-style config files, but I'm weird that way.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Toml is kind of ini++, though, isn't it.

[–] drwho 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know. Never really thought about TOML.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Check out the spec sometime. It's basically ini with some stuff added on top.

It's quite nice when you need something that parses into some kind of map, while being human readable.

[–] hellishharlot@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago
[–] Andy@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

https://nestedtext.org/

It’s like yaml but simple, consistent, untyped, and you never need to escape any characters, ever.

Types and validation aren’t going to be great unless they’re in the actual code anyway.

[–] static_caster@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you use protobuf/gRPC anywhere in your application, text format protobuf. Writes like JSON, but with a clear schema, a parser that already exists in most languages, and has comments.

[–] dmoonfire@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Overall, JSON5 (having comments and end-of-line commas is a big reason I got into YAML).

I suffer with YAML, but use it pretty heavily. It also has the * and & operators which I use fairly heavily, and it fits well with the Markdown + YAML I use, but I hate that whitespace indenting with a passion.

Occasionally, I look at Nickle (https://github.com/tweag/nickel) and KDL (https://kdl.dev/) and I get really tempted, just haven't made that jump.

[–] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

UCL and HCL are interesting, but YAML is more widely supported.