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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Shadow@lemmy.ca to c/main@lemmy.ca
 

Sorry (🍁) we did this without making a post, but after receiving several complaints we defederated from hexbear.net yesterday.

Here's a few quick examples of poor conduct by hexbear users:

They warned their users to behave themselves, but that didn't work: https://hexbear.net/post/280770?scrollToComments=false

Please read and respect the rules of the community instance in which you are posting/commenting. Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated. Realize that you are a representative of the hexbear instance when you post on other instances.

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[–] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 102 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I browsed a bit there. All I saw was trolls planning to troll. They won't be missed.

Federation is working.

[–] Anon819450514@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Until they decide to 'raid' instances and start their circus again.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

Oh, they already are raiding and brigading. Take a look at any post remotely mentioning China, Russia or Ukraine on lemmy.ml or any other instance still federated with them. 90% of the comments will be Hexbear users trolling, harassing people or spreading disinformation, shutting out any real discussion.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

I hope the admins on those raided instances are more effective than the admins on hexbear were.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I noticed a few of them posting Russian propaganda the other day. Nothing of value was lost.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They absolutely do. They are freaks of nature.

Essentially communists who support the war crimes committed in Ukriane and the idea of Russian imperialism since it somehow in their twisted little minds equates to a Soviet Union born again.

Wrap your head around that.

[–] astral_avocado@programming.dev 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I still just don't understand why they defend Russia or China, I don't think there's a single state mechanism you can point to that's truly functionally communistic.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

They get it into their heads that they're smarter than everyone else because they have views that aren't popular, and shut out any evidence that their views might just be wrong and actively harmful.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm all for differing viewpoints but they were just trolls.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

Yeah we gave them a chance, but I don't think many of their users were ready for the Lemmy experience so they kind of wandered into All expecting to behave the same as on their "CTH" community, with some of them clearly out to "troll normies/libs".

[–] Ejh3k@midwest.social 50 points 1 year ago (6 children)

What's wrong with hating landlords?

[–] astral_avocado@programming.dev 30 points 1 year ago (15 children)

No calls for violence seems like a simple rule. And not every landlord is greedy mcshitstain with 50 properties, many of them are a single family with their starter home rented out, or a couple renting out their extra room.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)

Communists don't care for that distinction, they believe all landlords (even non-exploitative ones like you mentioned) are inherrently exploitative and therefore deserving of death. Yes, this applies to you even if you just rent out a room, but don't worry, money won't exist and everything will be free!

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This is about as garbage take as the ones being discussed.

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[–] lud@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Calling for execution of anyone seems a bit extreme to me.

[–] Ejh3k@midwest.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

That's not my first typical go to personally

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[–] TotallyHuman@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nothing's wrong with hating landlords. I hate landlords. Lots of people hate landlords. There's a difference between calling for economic reform and calling for mass executions.

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[–] BloodForTheBloodGod@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

some landlords might have to go but there are degrees. Speculating in housing is unethical, but a small land leech isn't some kulag who needs to be ended.

Also, property managers, really? They are just wage workers.

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[–] s_s@lemmy.one 44 points 1 year ago
[–] mancy@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Good work! Thank you. Hexbear users are trolls. They’re not in it for discussion in good faith. I’ve blocked a few offenders here and there but honestly I think the culture there is so toxic that we’re better off not being federated with them.

[–] randint@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

100% agree that they are trolls. They flood any China news posts (that's not on lemmy.world) with a truckload of pro-China comments, taking advantage of the fact that a sizeable portion of Lemmy users won't be able to see and downvote them. Whenever someone replies to them with well-thought-out arguments supporting "the western authoritarians," half of them replies with huge and ugly emojis, while the other half parrots more Chinese propaganda (that actually sound well-written if you disregard the fact that China is an oppressive regime).

[–] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

I just moved instances because my old favorite has so far refused to defederate. I'm willing to deal with the idiot takes, the trolling, the nonsense sources that are almost always youtube videos, and their impressive ability to both support and denounce authoritarianism in the same breath. It's important for me to look at propaganda from multiple perspectives so that I can try to think through it and understand where other people are coming from. But 99% of the time they don't even express real opinions; they just flood posts they don't like with obnoxious images. Just for that, I'd take Lemmygrad over Hexbear any day of the week

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I said this in the last thread announcing defederation from them...

Freedom of speech doesn't mean an obligation to listen.

Good for you! I saw some of their posts pop up in my feed and had to block them too. Just too much edgelord stupidity.

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[–] init@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I might have to make a new account here. I made a comment and then edited it to address a Q_Anon adjacent hexbear user that replied to me. It's really strange. They say they are extreme leftists on their sidebar, but their politics are anti-Western, which puts them essentially with NK, China, and Russia, which are an authoritarian brand of communist or fascist that prosecutes and imprisons trans, LGBTQ+, etc,.

At this point I think they are simply trying to get reactions and shit stir for lulz. Getting told I should die because I corrected a Hexbear's use of misinformation is surreal. I never thought an extreme Leftist or five would openly and brazenly support a regime that literally made supporting LGBTQ+ stuff a crime only a year or two ago. It's wild.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are, who we call tankies. Propaganda spreading scumbags here to wreck communities and cause discord and chaos for Russia and China among other countries trying to wreak havoc. They're doing it because of the Ukraine war. Block them and do not use instances that federate with them.

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[–] HellAwaits@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

I wish all instances would. They're the most disingenuous and stupid users I've ever seen. They might as well just fling their own poop at people's houses because that's the level of value they're bringing to the internet discourse.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You made the right decision. Hexbear users aren't here to discuss anything in good faith, they're here to brigade and harass. That's all I've seen from them ever since they federated.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I checked out the instance and at least half the comments on federation posts were just plotting how to annoy other communities, not splitting their "force" too wide, and taking bets on how long until they're defederated. Not worth our time.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Calling for exections of landlords

Link doesn't work for me, but without any context: kind of hilarious.

[–] WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Step 1: Execute landlords

Step 2: Land doesn't actually get properly distributed and a new landlord rises

Step 3: ???

Step 4: Profit?

(Step 5: Revolution all over again)

Edit: /s in case it's not clear. sigh Poe's Law sucks πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

[–] argv_minus_one 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meet the new landlord, same as the old landlord.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Often worse than the old landlord, eg. Russian history aka And Then It Got Worse.

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[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago

In my opinion, good choice. It had to be done. Won't be missed.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've mixed feelings about this. But I support the admins, generally, and will assume they are acting in good faith.

This is sort of like an email provider getting their domain blacklisted. Yes, it hurts some legitimate users, but they are a source of spam and crap and the nuclear option is legitimate.

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 16 points 1 year ago

I saw some reallllly really sketchy takes from some @hexbear accounts on the fediverse, but my instance had already defederated from them without much fanfare, so I didn't know exactly what their deal was (our admin has a really reasonable head on his shoulders.)

This clears up a lot.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This seems like it could have been solved at the instance level by banning some emojis... So I guess I'm confused?

I still don't agree with censoring political views that we disagree with. It's a slippery slope, especially when these are REAL people that DO exist. They deserve to have their voice heard, even if it's so they can be shit on.

Edit: is there no way to block individual users without defederation? It sounds like taking the nuclear option against a few bad actors. We should want to have our worldview challenged since that's a core component of democracy.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

The great thing about the fediverse is that you can vote with your feet. If you're really dedicated to their nonsense you can create an account there and read and participate as much as you like. The reason no one is leaving to go there is that we all know that they produce nothing of any value.

[–] amio@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

I don't think massive trolling that happens to use an emoji would be solved by blocking that specific emoji.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not about political views. There are plenty of comrades around here who just don't ask for killing of fellow Canadians or parrot obvious Russian propaganda. I have quite enjoyed some thought provoking or educational comments from Hexbears but we have to pay for those with enduring the rest of the low effort vomit.

[–] Album@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago
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