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[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 101 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also lemmy.world is not the most stable instance and experiences a lot of downtime. My user experience got a lot better after I moved out of lemmy.world.

[–] gk99 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've explicitly been using my beehaw.org account pretty much exclusively because of the constant DDOS attacks on lemmy.world.

Kinda funny how their plan to seemingly kill Lemmy is just helping it stay decentralized by pushing people to other instances.

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[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 90 points 1 year ago

Sucks but if Lemmy.World is gonna be the "face" of Lemmy it's probably best to keep the shadier sides of the fediverse out. Just to keep the damn lawyer trolls off our back.

Plus it keeps the "uninitiated normies" out of the Piracy instance. At least until they know.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hot take: .world and others banning/blocking /c/ is better for the fediverse and for piracy. It means less eyes on piracy discussions and incentivizes users to spread out to other instances instead of just all using .world.

[–] Skoobie@lemmy.film 15 points 1 year ago

Fantastic take. Imagine a conglomerate of smaller instances that largely make no waves and allow 70% of the community to just see what they want. Dare to dream.

[–] remkit@lemmy.kya.moe 9 points 1 year ago

It's a great take and I hope they do continue to ban/block more controversial topics so people spread out more.

[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not sure why nobody in the comments is distinguishing between blocking a community on an instance (removing /c/piracy) and defederating instances (saying your users can't subscribe to otherinstance.com/c/piracy). They are very different things. We should be very skeptical of defederation.

Removing a community because it violates the rules of your instance is A-OK and every instance should do this. Anybody can run an instance, and anybody can set their own rules, that's the whole idea of federation.

De-federating other instances because you find their content objectionable is less ok. Lemmy is like e-mail. Everybody registers at gmail or office365 or myfavoriteemail.com. Every email host runs their own servers, but they all talk to each other through an open protocol. You would be pissed to find out that gmail just suddenly decided to stop accepting mail from someothermailprovider.com because a bunch of their users are pirates or tankies. Or blocked your favourite email newsletter from reaching your inbox because it had inflammatory political content.

Allowing your users to receive e-mail, or content from subcommunities on other lemmy instances is not a legal risk like hosting the content yourself is (IANAL etc). Same way Gmail is not liable if somebody on some other e-mail server does something illegal by emailing a gmail user. That's why you can register at torrentwebsite.com and get a user confirmation email successfully delivered to your inbox. Gmail is federated with all other e-mail services without needing to endorse them or accept legal liability for them.

Lemmy's strength, value, and future comes from being the largest federated space for link-sharing and other forms of communication.

De-federation is bad.

[–] lukini 19 points 1 year ago

Nah I gotta disagree on this one. I specifically joined this instance as a welcoming space. I'm glad we're defederated from the tankie and far right instances. I want none of that here. You can feel differently for the "main" instances or whatever you want to call them, but for me, defederation is amazing.

[–] jellyka@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I agree with you, I'd really love the possibility of block whole instances, just for me. I don't want my instance from defederating from much, but I'd like for example to block all the porn without having to find myself some christian lemmy instance to move to lol

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[–] vidumec@lemm.ee 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

i feel like blocking of instances leads to worse echo chambers than subreddits themselves. We gonna have bubbles of federation networks that don't federate with each other. E.g. lefties, righties, "dark web" illegal shit, kinky shit, and instances that federate with all of them will be blocked by other instances because "use my blacklist or get defederated". This is gonna lead to hell for users having to create fifty accounts for each bubble. Aint nobody got time for that.

i wish it remained a user's option to block/unblock content they don't/do want to see. Each instance could provide their "recommended" default list of enabled instances, and user can go and enable others, like how NSFW toggle works. Maybe group instances into categories with tags or something, like "porn", "memes", "tankies", "nazis", "warez", etc

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The primary purpose of the defederation mechanism is not to block content from readers, it's to prevent brigades. A big problem on Reddit is vote manipulation (not to mention shit stirrers showing up uninvited). On Reddit some mods would just ban everyone who ever posted in a subreddit (like T_D), defederation is essentially the same thing.

[–] sudo@lemmy.today 21 points 1 year ago

It's for the person paying for the hosting and maintaining the server to decide what they want their server to do

[–] vidumec@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Either way you call it, it's someone else deciding for me

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 12 points 1 year ago

No it isn't. You've got the whole Fediverse to choose from. That's the whole fucking point.

If you want every single decision to go your way, run your own instance. Otherwise, quit moaning and find an instance that suits you.

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[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I think lemmy.world is about to be rudely made aware of how many pirates were on their site.

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Might help lighten their load.

[–] Roundcat@kbin.cafe 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If there is one thing a pirate is good at, it's lightening other's loads!

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[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Lemmy.world is turning vanilla. They closed the shrooms community too!

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[–] h3ndrik@feddit.de 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Where is the piracy? (Asking for a friend.)

[–] matey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] h3ndrik@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

thx. forwarded it. happy pirate sounds

[–] papajohn@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My friend wants to know too. He has his pirates license.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

!piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

!piracy@lemmy.ml

edit: *!

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[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 25 points 1 year ago

Welcome fellow pirate!

[–] olizet@lemmy.works 20 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I have created my own instance. With blackjack! And hookers, err, NSFW.

I found a cheap VPS and the easy_deploy script from git, that's how it started. And for 10 €/month I'll keep it going with a user count of 1.

[–] krdo@lmmy.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kinda expensive vps for a single person instance, is it not?

[–] olizet@lemmy.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe, but I'm enjoying it.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The only thing that makes data useful to humanity is the fact that it can be copied - not copying data is unethical.

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[–] TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Any Lemmy instance list which shows communities that have been defed by each instances? Should help new users make better choices.

[–] Kaiserschmarrn@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

feedit.de offers a list of instances they have defederated.

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[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Oh do please tell me about this "piracy" you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.

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[–] zikk_transport2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My first comment from non lemmy.world instance! :)

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[–] lemmy@endlesstalk.org 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

As an alternative to lemmy.world I would like to suggest my own instance endlesstalk.org.

I have no plans to deferate or ban anything releated to piracy. Only thing that might change my mind would probably be a company taking legal action against me.

I also strive to have as little downtime as possible and keep everything running smoothly.

[–] zoe@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

only time would prove that ur instance would be reliable.

also ur instance won't be an exception: when corps deem that u hav a high enough usercount instance that is making piracy content accessible among users, they wouldn't hesitate to threat u legally, so federation with pirate instances shouldn't be a selling point, unless u have an unlimited stock of money to hire a lawyering firm.. still, i would gladly vouch for ur instance. We Lemmy as a whole can't do much against corp action: they have the financial means to afford legal action, or run unlimited ddos attacks for days, bringing Lemmy basically to its knees, we need to learn how to tread through this, instead of acting like tough guys.

Also hope more people come out and advertize their instance and vowing that they u would maintain it as humanly possible, cause i am running out of recommendations honestly

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[–] Millie@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've begun blocking their communities in my accounts and I plan to defederate from them when i get home. Fuck em. Place is infested with exploding heads anyway.

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[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Ia there a list somewhere of insurances that do NOT blck piracy?

Also just a quick yes or no question: does lemmy.ml block piracy?

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[–] GenBlob@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Sucks for us interested in it but It's completely understandable. Making an account on another instance and transferring your data takes no time at all, which is exactly what I did.

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[–] aka_oscar 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What is this meme alluding to? can i get a tldr?

[–] om1k@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

.world defederated piracy communities

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Search for "contex t" on this page (mispelled on purpose so that is doesn't come up when other people will look for it

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.world banned piracy so a lot of people will stop using lemmy.world, splitting the load

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Oh do please tell me about this "piracy" you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.

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