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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by fu@libranet.de to c/memes@lemmy.ml
 

But F the poor I guess

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[–] Ronno@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's easy to polarize with such a headline/picture. Reality is way more nuanced than this:

Migrants are in fact being saved from shipwrecks, it is (sadly) in the news every week or so. The main problem is that these migrants don't have communication devices with them to signal emergencies, unlike the submarine. The boat on the surface alarmed emergency services when they lost connection with the sub, starting the rescue operation. It is difficult to rescue a boat of migrants, when you don't even know that they are in danger in the first place.

Secondly, the harsh reality is that most migrants try to enter a country illegally. Which by definition, is a huge risk on their part. The rich people on the sub were not doing anything illegal. However, in both cases, the people in or on the boat accepted the risks involved in their endeavor.

[–] fu@libranet.de 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

@Ronno the problem is making the natural human right of migration illegal in the first place.

[–] gun@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How are you going to continue to enforce gun control in your country if there are zero borders?

[–] cmdr_nova@hackers.town 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

@gun @fu hey lemmy get the fascists off your instance

[–] fu@libranet.de 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@cmdr_nova lemmy.ml is certianly anti-facist, but to my knowledge is not anti-gun

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[–] fu@libranet.de 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@gun open migration doesn't require the elimination of borders. There is a border between Germany & France, but that doesn't mean they have to stop people from crossing it. It still exists, laws are different, etc.

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[–] Alto@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Secondly, the harsh reality is that most migrants try to enter a country illegally

Great. Doesn't mean you get to just outright murder them.

[–] StankFlipper@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

If these dumbasses have enough money to drop on a ticket aboard this sub to look at something you can see on a documentary, they should also have to foot the bill for the rescue mission. I'm sure all these rescue programs are tax funded that they dodge themselves. So, not only are they squirreling and eating up money we could all be using, but now we're picking up the check.

[–] escape_tape@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Think about it. If we just imprisoned all rich people, they didn't have to be rescued from their shitty, expensive vacation trips.

[–] skogens_ro@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's just the start my dude. Once we disregard insignificant values like human rights and personal freedom, solving the issue of other people making problematic choices becomes trivial.

Imagine all the crime we would prevent if we just locked up anyone who earns less than say 50k euros.

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[–] HelloImFrank@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nobody cares that they are millionaires!
You think the coastguard is only helping them because they are millionaires? No they are trying to help because it's their job!

I guess all those miners getting stuck in mines during collapses and millions of equipment was shipped over to try and save them over weeks of time was because the miners were all millionaires.

You have a fucked up view of the world if you think only millionaires get helped in emergency situations.

[–] fu@libranet.de 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@HelloImFrank having spent 4 years in the U.S. Coast Guard, I can tell you that you are incorrect.

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[–] revelrous@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

If you go up a mountain to poke tigers, and a tiger shockingly eats you, should society drop everything and race up the mountain to find your pieces? It's disingenuous to equate this to the miners.

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[–] downdaemon@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

i kinda wish the rich people had to deal with the pooping situation

[–] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm out of the loop on this one. What happened?

[–] cnnrduncan 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A bunch of super wealthy dudes (including a bloke who went to space with Mr. Amazon and two members of one of Pakistan's biggest petrochemical families) got into an obvious death trap after signing a waiver that said that there's a decent chance that it'd kill them and now that it's gone missing multiple governments are spending millions of dollars on an attempt to rescue them on the off chance that they're actually still alive because the lives of the wealthy matter more than the lives of normal people.

[–] ZapBeebz 6 points 1 year ago

Or maybe it has to do more with the region in which they're lost. The USCG is typically very good about aiding anyone within their AOR, no matter their socioeconomic class. This should be framed more as "why isn't Europe/Greece doing their jobs" than "why are the USCG/Canada actually doing their jobs".

[–] jeebus@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Some rich people got put into a submersible where the glass hatch is bolted to the vehicle. The pilot then proceeds to turn on the Xbox controller to activate the vehicle. None of these rich people thought they should ask if the vehicle had and safety precautions, or perhaps a fucking steering wheel. The media has gone nuts over this story. Like "balloon boy" nuts.

[–] fu@libranet.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@jeebus @LoreleiSankTheShip the "Xbox Controller" concern is a little bit of a media boogeyman. Similar controllers are used for military vehicles too.

[–] SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Using a controller is reasonable. Not having redundancy would be insane. This article suggests they hand plenty of redundancy for surfacing.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

Using a controller to steer a sub is normal.

[–] da_g@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know this could be controversial, but in some countries immigration is quite a problem, there isn't enough work for everyone and the crime just gets higher an higher plus they do it illegally, not quite the same even though I get y'all sentiment

[–] CaptainMinnette@lemmy.fmhy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

there isn't enough work for everyone

Immigrants induce demand for goods and services just like anyone else, thus the jobs to render those goods and services.

the crime just gets higher and higher

Technically depends on the country but this is usually false.

plus they do it illegally

Law is not morality. Perhaps it shouldn't be illegal.

[–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I always hated the legal argument. No landmass was ever historically conquered /populated / taken over / whatever through "legal immigration" except by indigenous peoples of those lands. These immigrants are trying to find better lives for themselves and their families and it's horrible that people refuse to show any empathy for their struggles or dreams

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[–] drolex@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not controversial, it's just wrong. Immigration never takes jobs away, it always allows to create more jobs by inflating the local economy. Miami absorbed Cuban migrants after Mariel, and went richer. It has been widely studied now: immigrants took first low paying jobs that were understaffed, it injected more money in the local economy and it allowed spouses who were not working because they were doing the low paying jobs for free (nannying for instance) to get back to high paying jobs, it injects more money... Same in Germany with Syrian intake

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[–] Hovenko@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is pinnacle of cringe.

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[–] NotaLLM@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US federal government values the average citizen's life at something like ~$12 million. This is mostly for policy like if 1,000 people a year die from something, say an unsafe ferris wheel design, a solution that would save them costing more than (1,000*12,000,000=)$12 billion would be rejected and considered not worth the economic cost. If the solution were cheaper, and cost like $500 million, then with good lobbying and a reasonable administration, it could easily become a new regulation.

Generally speaking if 5 anybodies went down like this submersible, you'd expect at least some millions to be spent in recovery missions.


https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2020/07/17/870483369/your-life-is-worth-10-million-according-to-the-government

The ~$12 million figure is what the NHTSA is currently using for its purposes.

[–] fu@libranet.de 4 points 1 year ago

average citizen's life

That's the problem, we allow our governments to treat people differently based on where they happen to have been born.

[–] fbievan@lemmy.fbievan.live 3 points 1 year ago
[–] em2@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe they're afraid of the families of the rich suing them /shrug

[–] Asenath@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Since the CEO went down with his s̶h̶i̶p̶ sub, the lawyers will have to get creative.

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[–] Aetherion@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what happend to the 5 rich men?

[–] lvl100magikarp@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They got pulverized

Apparently there's been a "compress the rich" hashtag going around.

Though That 19 year old didn't want any part in this, was scared of the whole thing, and only went to appease his father

[–] Designate6361@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Feel sorry for the kid. Didn't deserve it when he was just trying to make his dad happy

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