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You know those sci-fi teleporters like in Star Trek where you disappear from one location then instantaneously reappear in another location? Do you trust that they are safe to use?

To fully understand my question, you need to understand the safety concerns regarding teleporters as explained in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHBAdShgYI

spoilerI wouldn't, because the person that reappears aint me, its a fucking clone. Teleporters are murder machines. Star Trek is a silent massacre!

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If we talking time tested technology that's been around for a couple centuries (i.e. Star Trek), sure.

Brand new tech? No thanks.

[–] Coeus@coeus.sbs 3 points 1 year ago

As long as it us thoroughly tested and considered safe. I'm not going first.

I'm with old Dr. McCoy from that one TNG episode on this one. Not a chance.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Imagine you have a device that transmits your brain signals into another body so that you can control 2 bodies at once. Clearly you are one self that is controlling two bodies. Clearly destroying either one of these bodies wouldn't really kill you (so long as your brain is fine) you'd just continue existing in the other body.

Now let's say we copy your brain exactly and put it in the other body, and then a device that synchronizes your memories and experiences. body 1 would act exactly like body 2 in every circumstance. I don't see the difference between the first scenario and the second, you are one self, distributed across 2 brains and 2 bodies. If you killed one of the bodies, no one would die, it would be more akin to losing a limb.

Now let's remove the synchronizer, for the first instant it's identical to scenario 2, but over time the 2 selves would diverge and become separate people.

so as long as we kill off the old self immediately before or at the same time as the new body comes online then I don't see it as a murder machine like you describe.

however, if we have the tech to copy the body perfectly, who is to say we can't improve the body as teleport them, make the new body stronger or disease proof. And if we do that, who's to say we couldn't make small changes to the thoughts or memories, make you more docile or forget injustices. That seems pretty risky to me.

[–] 100thCatMarch@kbin.cafe 3 points 1 year ago

I won't. I take public transportation with friends and teleportation doesn't really have that social aspect.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

If I were afraid to use the teleporter I’d be afraid to go to sleep. And I ain’t going there, so yes I would use the teleporter.

Also PSA for anyone using an iphone: it’s unaware of the word β€œteleporter” and will autocorrect it to teleported.

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's another great video on the transporter problem!

To be

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[–] AGD4@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't Star Trek's transporter solution involve converting your atomic structure to Energy, beaming that energy to another place, and reconstitution your body using the same atoms? If so, that's not really dying anymore. Just re-arranging your original atoms.

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[–] christophski@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't understand everybody worrying about whether their consciousness moves with us. We literally don't even know what it is, we have no provable theory or idea of what it is. As far as I can tell, your consciousness is something your brain does, not something that exists external to your body, otherwise that's basically believing in spirits.

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Okay so in most cases, teleportation is instantaneous. But if you tamper with the disassembler, now can "teleport" yourself to a new location while the old you is still there. Now there's 2 bodies that look like you. So which one is you. Does your consciousness shift into the new body or stay with the old one? Or does your conciousness control both bodies?

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OP said "like in Star Trek" so I assume it would be just like Star Trek.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If automobiles were invented, would you use them instead of horses?

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cars don't rip you apart molecularly, unless you get into a crash. A teleporter will rip you apart every time. This isn't a discussion of the "safety" of teleporters, it's a discussion of what consciousness is.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

In the perfect utopia that is Star Trek and everyone uses them without worrying about it then I'm definitely going to say it's fine.

[–] aedyr@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Anyone remember that Outer Limits episode about this? They thought the teleporter malfunctioned, but it really just failed to destroy the source "copy" of the girl at the point of origin. Since she also appeared at destination, the station operator had to flush the original out of the airlock.

TLDR- Would totally use it.

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