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[–] FluffyToaster621@lemm.ee 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If this DRM can force you to use Chromium to display a webpage or content, that would be the most anticompetitive thing in recent times, and would absolutely not fly.

[–] xeekei@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's why they want to make it a web standard, so they can just blame Firefox and others for not following the standard and avoid EU fines.

That's what Microsoft did with their office document standard.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, the sad thing here is that if Apple comply, it will basically become a standard and there's nothing that Firefox or anything else can do about it. If they can get it on iPhone, it's game over. Half the web will be blocked unless you agree to see adverts.

[–] nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I doubt they will.

Apple already has the Private Access Tokens that Cloudflare has been working on making into a standard, primarily for skipping captchas. Google doesn’t like those because they are too private.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I doubt the EU would buy that.

[–] wallmenis@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

I am afraid EU can be too dumb to not buy that!

[–] xeekei@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it's an actual official web standard, they might have to.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

"Official" web standards huh?

[–] CAPSLOCKFTW@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago
[–] TheQuantumPhysicist@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One just has to wonder... how evil can Google become?!

[–] _galactose@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Have slowly been switching to Firefox for a couple of months, but the DRM proposal has gotten me to fully switch.

[–] sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf 4 points 1 year ago

Thank you. You're only one person, but the world is just particles. If enough of us come together, we will be something tangible.

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[–] wanderingmagus@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Based and actual freedom pilled

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's as true as it is irrelevant. I don't think I've heard anyone say chrome isn't a great browser or chromium isn't good - it's the control Google has over it that everyone has a problem with

[–] Brahm1nmam@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

People definitely do say those things. They are terrible memory hogs compared to other WebKit alternatives

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago

It can't just be for the server - it also needs to be per-community or you still get a very homogeneous feed

And you need an algorithm that can balance that not just for 1 site, but do it dynamically for each site

We'll get there, but it's one of those issues that keeps getting more and more complex the longer you work on it

[–] Mandy 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

cool, now we need a voice that hasnt lost all its weight years ag

[–] sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mozilla is only as strong as the community. In recent years it's been like a red Panda backed in a corner and tried everything to get offset the contribution of Google. But rather than focus on money, it should've focused on community. No matter how many bucks Mozilla chases, it will never match what Google contributes. But no matter how much Google pays Mozilla, it should pale in comparison to the value of community contributions. Sadly Mozilla only value code contributions, not realising that pull requests come thicker and faster with real community engagement. They hired a bunch of people that don't care for the community and as such community engagement dwindled.

[–] Mandy 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

while i must agree on community portion (i personally dont partake) even the money contribution is but a wet fart

What google pays mozilla for their search engine deal: 450 million

What google pays apple for the same deal: 15 billion by the time google made this deal mozilla had lost their voice

as much as i hate anything google (i use firefox myself), mozilla lost most of its power to make a compelling argument and the community or rather the people who jumped on the google wagon are very much just as much t blame as google itself