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For context: I was a much more ignorant person back in 2014 than I am today. My views then do not reflect my views now (tw: Fatphobia, Sexism, Sinophobia, transphobia, Z-propaganda)

This isn't my first rodeo dealing with a reddit migration. My first attempt to leave the site happened back in 2014 when several subs got banned, including several shaming subs when Ellen Pao was CEO of reddit.

Back then, there were a lot of unfounded rumors of the site being taken over by the Chinese government (cause Ellen was Chinese American), and being an ignorant person, I fell for it hook line and sinker.

So around that time, a few reddit alternatives started getting passed around, including a site called Voat. It was basically just like reddit, but the bandwidth and UI wasn't nearly as sophisticated as reddits, thus the site constantly crashed. I spent a bit of time on there before heading back to reddit and never looking back. And the main reason I left was because the overall culture there was mean spirited, unhinged, and basically a reactionary version of reddit (which looking back makes sense considering this reddit migration was basically a reaction from trying to protect people)

Fast forward to now, and I'm starting to get de ja vu from the fediverse. At first I was on kbin, which seemed promising at first until I noticed that any article involving trans issues had a slew of transphobic comments that had a lot of traction. Realizing there was very little moderation being done there, I gave lemmyworld a try, but same issue, plus it seemed any article having to do with Ukraine had a lot of pro-Russian posts. And whenever I bring up this fact, I get a lot of pushback from users and mods. Part of the reason I ended up here is because one user told me "If you need a safe space, you should go over to beehaw with all the other snowflakes."

At this point, I already have a fairly negative view of the fediverse. I hate what is happening to reddit right now, and yet it feels like the alternatives aren't much better in providing a safe environment for its users.

Maybe my problem is with redditors, but at the very least reddit was equipped to keep the dumbest of dumbasses out of visibility. Here, even in supposedly more open minded communities and instances, such dumbassery has just as much weight as thoughtful, upvoted posts.

I don't know. I can't see myself staying involved with this project for long, if it's just going to remain as unpleasant as it is now.

Also, sorry if this isn't the right community to be posting this in. I'll gladly move this where this needs to go if its the case.

Edit: riveting discussion example: @Cat_of_the_Round fuck philosophy. unless you reeeeelly care that much. your behind a kb for christ sake. Oh no. Someone had an opinion. I’m assuming you can in the very least ignore them. Othewise who the fuck cares?

yeah, I think I'm done here.

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[–] LostCause@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

I think it just needs to grow and you need to find a community that fits for you and your values.

Maybe beehaw could be it for you, they defederate a lot of stuff that is more "mean".

[–] Denaton@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago

I just block communities that is to spammy or annoying, the thing with a open source decentralize platform is that you need to drag the sliders yourself to your liking.

[–] yatu669900@thelemmy.club 9 points 1 year ago

I haven't seen anything like that, I don't even see whatever response you're quoting

[–] Sushi@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Communities like Reddit are difficult to replicate in the first place. I love Reddit, but the transphobic, hateful, ignorant comments are surely also made on Reddit as well. Perhaps you see them less because it's less concentrated, as there are so many subs and people.

[–] Gh05t 8 points 1 year ago

Cool story bro. You gotta be a part of something to make a change. Decisions get made by people in the room. If you don’t want to be here cool and sorry this wasn’t for you. It’s the equivalent of giving everyone in a crowded bar the finger and going home. Cool mate, a bit dramatic but yeah. Peace.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Someone has to pay for the software, and servers and moderation. Autocratic governments have all the insensitives to take over Redditors. I don't have evidence, but woudn't be surprised if they're indeed sending admins and mods. Lemmy devs are known as Tankies indeed.

[–] grayrattus@szmer.info 2 points 1 year ago

Personally I don't think social media must be safe. I actually enjoy more diversity and freedom of speach more than "safety" however you define it.

FYI some people are transphobic and they still should have the same right to use social media as you and me. That's why I love fedi. If you want to make your own transphobic server you should be allowed to do so but also accept that other servers won't connect with you. It also work the other way around.

If you want to have healthy fedi communities you need to moderate and educate them what is allowed and not allowed. You can also create your own instance and moderate it yourself.

But that's just my opinion. I understand that not everyone agrees with it.

[–] Cyzaine@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Transphobia on kbin? Certainly some, just like everywhere, but I don't think I've seen a ton. Most people are rightly raging at Elon and the like today for example.

You sure you weren't seeing federated posts from other instances?

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