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The current default "Homepage" value is "All". That makes sense for users with zero subscribed magazines, so they see something.

But for users with one or more subscribed magazines, the default value for "Homepage" needs to be "Subscriptions".

That's partially just because subscriptions mean little if the default frontpage ignores them. But there's a more important reason than that.

The current situation is that posts in m/Conservative are heavily downvoted, and barely upvoted. (Whatever your politics may be, consider if this was happening to you.) As more ex-redditors join, this problem is likely to worsen.

Eventually moderators need better controls, to say things like "Only members can vote", etc.

But for now, a very easy fix is to change the default value of "Homepage" to be "Subscriptions". Of course, "All" should still be a selectable option for those who prefer it.

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[–] aninorganicorganism@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is an ignorant and entitled take. You pass right wing ideology as deserving of special treatment and you indignantly pass conservatism as a minority voice needing to be heard. The federated community doesn't have algorithmic preferential treatment nor does it need to imitate Reddit's worst qualities because your ideology in unpopular. It's a community's responsibility to make itself appealing to the masses if it wants acceptance. You want a place for right wing discourse on a platform dominated by capital L Leftists. I personally would hate to see a fascist gateway community form on such a small platform like this. While you have the freedom to think and speak, you don't have the right to preferential treatment or your voice to be heard or liked.

[–] 10A@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm so sorry I came across that way. You make me sound awful. I'm not asking for special treatment whatsoever. I just think the default setting for Homepage should be Subscriptions. I think that would improve the site's overall quality for anyone who accepts default settings.

Edit: Lest anyone think this is just about politics, consider the following magazines that were just created:

  • m/UniversalPictures
  • m/KatyPerry
  • m/UniversalStudios
  • m/DreamWorks
  • m/Pixar

Whatever kbin was before, it won't be for long.

[–] SpacemanSpiff@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

It’s really not brigading by definition. Brigading is a conscious and coordinated effort by many people to target a post or community. There is nothing conscious or coordinated about random people randomly seeing a post and downvoting it.

Brigading is not the right term. Unpopular is.

  • This is likely unavoidable because the majority of users of sites like this are not conservative. They trend toward the younger demographics. Millennials overall in the U.S. are 60% left-leaning. Gen Z are almost 70% left-leaning. What you're noticing may only become more pronounced after kbin re-federates. The fediverse is far more international then Reddit ever was and international and non-English posts are not filtered out by region like on Reddit. Conservative US politics are generally farther right than most right-leaning parties in the developed world. So you may be downvoted by international users as well that actually intentionally view magazines or posts with the conservative tag.

Really the only way to avoid this is to create your own instance and de-federate. This is precisely why the far-right social media platforms (like Truth Social) have had to isolate themselves. They’re simply a significant minority on the internet.

[–] pasci_lei@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

@10A Or people just don’t want to see it. It is not brigading. As I don’t want people putting photos of their masculine genitals in my eyes, I don’t want to read about conservatism in my /all or /sub. Do whatever you want on this site, but don’t complain when people disagree. That’s called opinion.

[–] RoundToo@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Brigading is a coordinated effort that starts in one or more external communities and is directed at a specific target. That's not what you're describing.

Perhaps it's the case that a Conservative community is just unpopular among users browsing /all? This isn't a strictly USA politics thing. You're getting international users seeing this content too.

Even with your proposed change - which I think I agree with, but not for the same reason - nothing is going to prevent users from browsing and potentially downvoting submissions.

If there is this much sensitivity to meaningless Web points (seriously, there are no karma totals here), then I think a better solution might be to find or start an instance run by people who share Conservative values and have that instance control the desired level of federation with other instances.

[–] Xuerian@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

This level of control is generally handled at the instance level.

If you want to host a magazine and control interactions on it, host your own instance.

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