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[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago
[–] erotador@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

if I say "nerd social media" my gf know exactly what I'm talking about

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

The nerdiverse

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago

/thread

Issue closed as resolved.

I'm using this from now on. Thanks.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago
[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 days ago
[–] coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

"The United Link Aggregation Alliance of the Threaded Fediverse, which includes Lemmy, PieFed, kbin, and its fork mbin"

[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Threadiverse is a terrible name, the most immediate word association is Threads, ostensibly a large corporate competitor, and the most immediate search result is a geeky/nerdy tshirt/merch company.

Better names?

Fuck uh... I dunno.

Lemmyverse

Lemmy and Friends

Reddit Asylum Seekers Club (RASCL?)

The front page of Web 4.0

Fediverse's Fractious Forums

???

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A lot of people from Reddit refuse to come here due to the association with tankies, as evidenced in the name Lemmy.

Also PieFed has little to do with Lemmy, except being interoperable with it, like K/Mbin. And Sublinks will introduce newer even more complicated terminology as in "the instance formerly using Lemmy, now having switched over to Sublinks":-).

Anyway we already have both Lemmy and Fediverse, so the purpose of this third name is to represent the not-just-Lemmy portion of the Fediverse. Threadiverse is a horrible name... but the only one people seem willing to use. Forumverse?

Threads is dead, maybe we should finally just let it go? Oh, and use of Threadiverse predated that existing in any case. It's solidly our term, not theirs... if we want it.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

PieFed has little to do with Lemmy, except being interoperable with it,

Seems like quite a link to be honest

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Oh for sure. Both having implemented the ActivityPub protocol and being interoperable on the Threadiverse/Fediverse is a huge deal.

But I wouldn't go so far as to say that PieFed works on the Lemmyverse (technically that would be true, but also the reverse as well).

PieFed is its own whole entirely separate and distinct deal from Lemmy. Unlike e.g. Beehaw that is just an instance running old Lemmy software, or Tesseract being an alternate front-end for a Lemmy back-end.

Similarly Mbin has very little to do with Lemmy in this manner of speaking as well, just interrelating on the Fediverse, but via its own entirely distinct implementation of the ActivityPub protocol there too.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But all that matters is the protocol. In time, we'll have loads of implementations and we should hope we do. More choices for everyone :)

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most end users - especially the more creative types aka "content creators" - don't seem to care how something gets done, so long as it does. Thus UX matters far more, hence why PieFed is amazing, offering such features as Categories of Communities (even customized, shareable ones!), hashtags, an onboarding wizard signing up a new account with community subscriptions and common filter options, and among many other things, one of my favorite is the ability to see the community side-bar content below every single post (imagine stumbling upon ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net - which yeah no longer exists, but anyway - via the All feed, and knowing what you were walking into by replying to it!).

Even so, yeah it is the protocol that makes that happen - and yet also PieFed provides a back-end that does not depend upon Lemmy. Code is code, but still some people don't like it, and tbh it does have authoritarianism baked right in deeply to its core concepts: e.g. it provides a modlog but no modmail, and even hides which mod did an action so that you cannot DM them to ask why. Lemmy is very much a true "Reddit alternative".

In contrast, PieFed provides features that allow for democratization of moderation - putting more power into the hands of the end users to control their personal experiences, thereby allowing mods to have a more hands-off approach. An example is the aforementioned filters: if someone has their own filter against posts containing words like "Trump" or "Musk", then a community mod could not remove a post that uses them, allowing people to either see or not see them in that community, as they have specified their choice to be. That's a wonderful option! But it takes a lot of effort to achieve, and PieFed provides some tools along those lines to help make that kind of vision a reality.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think I've mentioned this before but I personally really don't like the way piefed is so opinionated. It focuses on low karma, high downvote rate, for some reason doesn't award karma for memes and I just saw that "recognition of 4chan posts" feature which is just weird. To me, there can be legit reasons for all these things and I don't think it's the job of the software to handle these. That seems very opinionated/authoritarian to me.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Which post is that, can you share a link? The main thing with the democratization of moderation features on PieFed is how it places tools into the hands of the users, who unlike authoritianism, can decide whatever they want to do about what they see, individually and personally.

So e.g. while lemmy.ml will ban you from communities that you've never even heard of across the entire instance if you make a comment that violates no written rules (you are supposed to somehow "just know" that the anti-bigotry rule means that you can e.g. criticize genocide done by Western nations, but not done by Russia, China, or North Korea), PieFed merely places an icon next to the username, leaving it up to the recipient to decide what it means to them. Some are quite helpful, like if an account is under 2 weeks old, that's someone who is still learning the ropes, or someone who posts often but hardly ever comments, that's likely an unregistered bot account (or a human equivalent). Admittedly the rules to define all of those are still undergoing tweaking, but I like the idea in principle. Especially if users can choose to not display the icons at all.

Speaking of, a couple other related features affect the display of comments based on a combined up and downvote measure. One of these automatically collapses the comment chain - which requires just one click to open it back up fully - and another threshold hides the controversial/unpopular comment from view entirely. I have both of these disabled entirely, but for such people who want to live inside their echo chamber, I support their right to do so. Having a tool increases choices, and it's up to them to use it properly. And it's neat that PieFed allows the expansion of choices beyond merely moderator allows or denies content, to include more complex and nuanced views.

In one sense then it's the opposite of the opinionated Lemmy, which can only remove, lock, or ban users posting content that the moderator does not like, while on PieFed the moderator can leave it up to the end user to decide its fate, with help from the community overall.

So if on Lemmy the only options are "hard", like shouting, then yeah, PieFed is opinionated but in a "soft" way, like whispering, leaving the content up but placing a label next to it - though to reiterate again, the content can be left up, which is a huge difference.

Here's another example: on every single post from certain instances, a message can be placed. For now the only instance this is used for, on the flagship instance PieFed.social, is Beehaw, which offers:

This post is hosted on beehaw.org which has higher standards of behaviour than most places. Be nice.

And that link goes to the actual words of the Beehaw admins describing themselves. Imagine if, for instance, someone were told that you were not allowed to criticize Russia, China, or North Korea, BEFORE having to find out the hard way, by posting or commenting and then being instance-banned, and even then not receiving a notification about that, so having to dig out what even happened, and then dig further to try to figure out why, etc. Lemmy is VERY authoritarian in nature - yes modlog but no modmail, or even a notification that content was removed, or being banned.

So yeah, in contrast, PieFed is "opinionated", offering those soft whispers, but that's a far cry from being so heavily a Reddit alternative that is somehow arguably even more authoritative than Reddit itself!?

Also, the Sync and Connect have many of these same features for Lemmy as well. For those who enjoy such features, PieFed has a lot to offer!:-)

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 1 day ago

for such people who want to live inside their echo chamber, I support their right to do so.

My point is that I don't think the software should be doing this stuff. Marking users and instances is akin to a kind of censorship on those instances. Censorship is the job of the instance, not the software. Collapsing comments at a certain level is again a kind of censorship that encourages mob thinking and hides any dissident opinion (so I find it a bit funny that you say it helps to include "more complex and nuanced views"; in my opinion, it would seem to do the opposite of that).

Anyways that's just my take on it, I don't really have the patience to write out a 10 paragraph response and I don't need to because I use what I prefer and you can use what you prefer, fediverse is great like that.

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[–] ericjmorey@discuss.online 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I generally don't. I don't find it to be a useful grouping to reference or discuss.

Try piefed.social
Try Discuss.online
Try beehaw.org
Try programming.dev
I'm always referring to one, never the group.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't point them to Beehaw though, their segregated nature and difficult onboarding process make it less welcoming for newcomers to the Fediverse.

lemmy.blahaj.zone is a better choice for people who want LGBTQ friendly spaces.

[–] ericjmorey@discuss.online 5 points 2 days ago

I think this is a great illustration of my point. I like the culture beehaw.org has established more than what lemmy.blahaj.zone has encouraged. And I don't particularly care about "the fediverse". I care about the online communities I engage with.

Everyone is different and I make my recommendation based on what I think the person I'm making recommendations to would like most.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago
[–] match@pawb.social 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

lemmy. come at me kbinners

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] Beastimus@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are dozens of us, dozens!!

[–] Beastimus@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dozens is at best a crowd, not even a horde, hardly an army...

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

True... but we tend to be dedicated zealots - see e.g. how no k- or mbinners have so far responded to this comment chain yet, while instead multiple people rising to join the PieFed wagon.

Viva La PieFed? 🤪

(In truth we are indeed tiny - for now, but we will rise!)

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’ve taken a liking to threadiverse, though I think it might confuse some people given Meta’s Threads and Metaverse, people might assume it’s a mix of that.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

Since Meta's Threads died, and anyway usage of the word Threadiverse predated its existence, I finally relented and now use Threadiverse. Or Fediverse. Forumverse kinda sounds cool too, though generally speaking nobody seems to want to use it.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's true for Lemmy, but Mbin and PieFed go far beyond what Reddit tried to do. Unless Reddit has plans to also directly show posts from X?

True, but if we say Reddit alternative, we can then say, oh we also have Twitter

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[–] classic@fedia.io 7 points 2 days ago (12 children)

idk, fediverse seems fine to me

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