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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 139 points 3 days ago (1 children)

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Ditches fediverse but still use Xitter?

On top of the trump apointee praise?

Sus 👀

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That’s not sus, that’s what anyone ought to expect him to do, because it aligns with his bourgeois interests. Why would he stay on a non-corporate, federated social media platform when he and his bourgeois peers can’t control the narrative?

[–] Matt@lemdro.id 106 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is very disappointing.

[–] ramenu@lemmy.ml 102 points 3 days ago (3 children)

They have a large following on Mastodon so this doesn't really make much sense. I'm inclined to believe that they left due to the hate they were getting because of the recent controversy.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yeah. They can't get Mastodon moderators to suppress negative publicity like they can on Reddit and other platforms.

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[–] splinter@lemm.ee 32 points 3 days ago

I think this is right on the money.

[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What is the recent controversy?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

CEO is what I describe as a Right-wing Libertarian. Dude not only praised the trump FTC appointee, but also said "republicans are on the side of the 'little guy'". Andy Yen is one of the members of the Board of Trustees of Proton Foundation, the non-profit that owns a majority of Proton AG. He initially used his personal account, then later used the official account (so I'm assuming the other board members did not object to it), then later "apologized" for it and said he would use his personal accounts. The reddit account has a username with the number 88 in binary, which led some to speculate its a nazi (88 = HH = Heil H*tler) dogwhistle, to which Andy Yen says its his year of birth 1988. Kinda weird, but he could just be that clueless, who knows 🤷‍♂️.

From what I could gather from his public statements, including twitter: Andy Yen is also supportative of Ukraine and have donated to Ukraine, and is supportative of the Hong Kong protestors, and is against Russian censorship and against US red state's Age Verification laws.

My view is: Andy Yen is an idiot, and there shouldn't be any immediate threats, but its still not a bad idea to pre-emptively move, if you can, just in case he pulls a "Musk" and does the salute tomorrow.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He also used the word "triggered" in the Reddit comments in the way right wingers are wont to do, and then tried to play the "I'm not American, I don't understand how that word looks to you" card. Never mind that plenty of non-Americans know perfectly well how that looks.

No, it's far more likely he picked up that word and knew exactly how it was used because he's been hanging out in far right spaces.

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[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago

The reddit account has a username with the number 88 in binary, which led some to speculate its a nazi (88 = HH = Heil H*tler) dogwhistle, to which Andy Yen says its his year of birth 1988. Kinda weird, but he could just be that clueless, who knows

I mean this part I give him a pass on. It was right for people reading him to raise an eyebrow, because political signalling like that does happen, especially in a context where he's making comments like he made. But in this case it was just a nothingburger.

It doesn't make his "wasn't intended to be a political comment" excuse any less gibberish though.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 13 points 3 days ago

We unfortunately live in the world where saying "Trump is an idiot" and "Actually I was kidding. He's the second coming of Christ" might only be a day apart.

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 8 points 3 days ago

The whole 88 thing is not generally know except probably in Germany and the US.

He is an idiot yes, but the internet is also making it seem like if you agree with one statement you agree with all statements of that person/party which is just wrong.

Always use your own domain on Proton and others. The laws in Germany aren’t as friendly as the one in Swiss so that can be causing issues as well.

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[–] kipo@lemm.ee 69 points 3 days ago (5 children)

So Proton ditched Mastodon but is still on Twitter, aka the Nazi cesspool, and Reddit. Both US propaganda platforms with heavy censorship.

Bad, bad move.

I have been defending Andy Yen's idiotic comments because he's not American and doesn't understand the hyper-reactive nature between US Americans and US politics (because our government is literally run by nazis now), but this decision isn't helping; it will fuel and reinforce the negative image already held by those who have canceled their accounts and those who are on the fence.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 18 points 3 days ago

I need to migrate away from Proton ASAP.

[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I have been defending Andy Yen’s idiotic comments because he’s not American and doesn’t understand the hyper-reactive nature between US Americans and US politics

And I could see the point, kind of, even though it strained credulity on substance. He seemed more confused to me than die-hard partisan. But it's really hard to square what was effectively a blanket statement endorsing R's with his subsequent comment that it "was not intended to be a political statement" (paraphrase).

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 10 points 3 days ago

And then also the official proton account doubling down on it a day later.

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

His whole defense hinged on making people believe Gail Slater being on the FTC meant she fought for little tech, but omitted her history leaving to became vice-president for legal and regulatory policy for the Internet Association which is a lobbying group for companies like Google, Amazon, eBay, and Facebook.

The Internet Association—a trade group for big technology companies such as Google, Facebook, and Amazon—spent nearly $176,000 to lobby the California legislature last quarter, according to the Washington Post. It is now running misleading ads on social media asking Sacramento lawmakers to weaken the law.

The group claims that surveillance-based advertising technology, which slurps up and broadly spreads consumers’ personal data without their knowledge, should be exempted from the CCPA. In truth, surveillance-based adtech is one of the worst privacy hazards that the law was designed to stop. It also provides little benefit to online publishers, and erodes trust between companies and their consumers.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/09/lawmakers-must-not-let-internet-association-weaken-california-consumer-privacy-act

That medium article that keeps being reposted from some random user with only that one article intentionally omits this work history after the FTC too.

[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 11 points 3 days ago

Proton marketing itself on privacy while recently calling out the danger of tech oligarchs makes their decision to leave Mastodon and keep using Twitter very confusing. Lot of mixed signals.

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago

Makes it harder to defend with the statement the official Proton account made on reddit which they have since then removed and kept editing. Makes you wonder what do they actually believe and if this is their attempt to be apolitical how much are they self censoring their true views on the matter to seem more palatable.

https://archive.ph/quYyb

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[–] splinter@lemm.ee 53 points 3 days ago

And now I’ve ditched Proton. Andy Yen’s comments made me skeptical, but I was still confident that their mission was intact. This move, to a social media platform with a demonstrated willingness to censor non-corporatist views, confirms my fears that they are giving up their principles.

[–] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I’m seriously starting to consider moving from proton to Fastmail. My renewal is coming up in May.

[–] RiQuY@lemm.ee 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Cool, I’ll check them out.

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[–] jasmine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I switched after the whole CEO issue, but tbh I was annoyed at how limited proton mail was because of encryption. Super happy with Fastmail in comparison! Got 2 domains linked, multiple servers using it for SMTP, a bunch of aliases and masked emails. Calendar and contacts setup on android with DAVx5 to de-google some more. So good.

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[–] ramenu@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's also Migadu which I currently use. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles that providers like Proton and Tuta have with their E2EE but they don't use any shady marketing or track you. Requires a custom domain though.

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[–] lemmus@szmer.info 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I'm disappointed...I tried to not care about this CEO supporting Trump, but come on...now they ditch Mastodon, tomorrow they close source their clients...I'm losing trust to them, I used to think about them as knights in this capitalist world, but well. As someone once said "You either live and die as a legend, or live long enough to become evil". I don't want it to happen but yeah, I guess we all gotta find a good replacement for Proton services, sad but it is what it is.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Of all the fuckin places to move to they chose reddit 😭

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago

Because they can control the dialog on reddit

[–] qkalligula@my-place.social 24 points 3 days ago

@ramenu .... proton recommending communication through reddit was not on my bingo card. 2025 has already been a wild ride... *looks at date*

fml

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

because their ceo came out as fascist and mastodon is calling them out.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 7 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I’m not super informed on that. Didn’t he say that he didn’t mean it that way? Could you clarify please? I wonder what other options there are? Tuta?

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

Tldr, the CEO is an idiot, Proton is bad at (social media) and there is a cultural difference between how people in the US look at politics

[–] Onihikage 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

Thanks for the link, that's a lot more context than the usual reactionary "Andy Yen said one nice thing about a Republican therefore he's fascist pro-Trump MAGA" takes I've been seeing. Not only does it more or less disprove that narrative, it makes me question how much of the hate against him lately is genuine and how much of it has been seeded and signal-boosted by nation-state actors who don't want people to use encrypted communications.

Yen is clearly trying to be nonpartisan and praise what he sees as good for privacy while pointing out abuses of power, regardless of who has the power at the moment. He sees this as his way of adding weight to the scale in favor of better privacy and tearing down big tech. I know many in my country and on the web are hyper-polarized and addicted to anger, to the point that if someone says anything even slightly positive about their perceived political enemy, it's seen as legitimizing and aligning with that enemy, but I don't believe that's a healthy or productive mindset to have. I believe that kind of divisive attitude is preventing us from uniting with those who should be agreeable to our cause, and that's exactly what the oligarchs want. It's making us weak.

I've been on the fence for a while since this whole thing started, because I do use a paid Proton email, and it sounded bad, but I kept getting this nagging feeling I wasn't seeing the full picture. That's gone now - Andy may be politically and/or socially inept, and he may have a different perspective on what it means to support privacy and democracy, but I think it's clear his heart is in the right place, and the work he and Proton are continuing to do for tech privacy is helping to erode authoritarian power structures, including Trump's.

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[–] RiQuY@lemm.ee 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Can someone recommend a good and privacy oriented alternative to Proton Drive.

It's sad that Proton bought SimpleLogin because I was and I'm currently using it before the acquisition.

[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

Nextcloud on a paid plan from some company (e.g. Hetzner) or, if you've got the stones for it, Nextcloud self-hosted.

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[–] Taevas 13 points 3 days ago

For real? Man, at this rate, I might have to switch away from their products, I really hope they get their act together really really soon...

[–] Templa 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Again??? Isn't this like, the third time they do this?

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[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Add one more to the tally. Did the offer a reason?

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago

Probably because Andy Yen (CEO) was rightfully called out on Mastodon for saying that Republicans stand with the "little guy"

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago

people were using the vpn to evade reddit bans, but even reddit does not like vpn users anymore.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

Aww, is someone booty blasted they can't control the dialog no more?

[–] Perhapsjustsniffit@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (5 children)
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[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I wonder if the "limited resources" are due to them potentially losing a whole load of customers recently.

You know, if their tech truly is as open-source as they market, then they've still contributed hugely to the ecosystem. If it turns out it's not actually operationally open-source, then this will be remembered in a hugely negative light.

Edit: I did just see their post about being impacted by the US spending cuts. I can't imagine Proton would be super happy about that administration at the moment. But then again, who knows these days.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The backend isn't open source. Iirc, its just the clients.

[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago
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