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Phase-out of fossil fuel vehicles (lemmy.ca)
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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As an Australian I don't find this beautiful at all 😠 We only have a single tiny territory (our equivalent of America's DC) with any phase out plans. Our government is just so incredibly beholden to fossil fuel interests. It's incredibly frustrating.

But Japan is one that surprises me, considering how slow their domestic industry has been to adopt electric cars compared to China and Korea. I thought they were going in on hydrogen, despite it not really making serious progress.

(Although an obligatory !fuckcars@lemmy.world and reminder that even EVs are terrible for the environment and are much worse societally than public transport and bikes.)

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Yeah this really sucks.

Especially the proliferation of American style ute's in recent years, like we're the only two places in the world that will tolerate the emissions.

I'm also surprised about China, not for any other reason than their track record on pollution hasn't been great.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 5 points 4 days ago

I'm not particularly surprised about China. They're making big advances in this area. Their continued growth in carbon emissions is alongside growth in renewables because their total energy usage is growing insanely fast.

With cars specifically, think about cars you've seen on the road here in Australia. Of the EVs, where have you seen them from? Apart from Teslas, the vast majority I've seen have been either Chinese or Korean.

[–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

China have some very big cities and the pollution alone has been causing lots of health related problems. They have an incentive to migrate to EV's on those grounds alone.

[–] Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

They introduced regulations that fossil fuel motorcycles were only allowed every other day. Electric mopeds were allowed any day.
Most mopeds in Chinese cities are electric ones now. Out in the sticks you'll still find combustion ones.

But they seriously needed that. The smog in the cities back then were live-threatening.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

Interesting move to ban them every second day.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 4 days ago

I'm also surprised about China, not for any other reason than their track record on pollution hasn't been great.

That's because they're not deinstitutionalizing like Europe, and in fact their industry is still growing. A lot of European advances in reducing pollution came because they simply exported it elsewhere.

[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't really believe in the hydrogen car solution, but I did have the chance to ride in a very nice hydrogen car in Korea and wow... it was a very smooth ride.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 3 days ago

It's definitely not a complete scam tech, and it will likely have its place. It's just not especially feasible at the same scale that battery electrics are.

[–] cron@feddit.org 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Its sounds odd for me that some countries plan banning fuel-powered cars in ~30 years.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there is much left to ban by then.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I can see how hybrids will probably be a thing for a very long time, for people in very cold and remote places.

But yeah, the EV revolution is a fact. For any country that has proper electric infrastructure and who doesn't have protections for legacy car manufacturers, EV's are cheaper and have lower operating/maintenance costs.

[–] MacroCyclo@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In Canada, the gas model is ~$20,000 the hybrid is ~$30,000 and the electric model is ~$40,000. I keep hearing that EVs are supposed to be cheaper, but I haven't seen it yet.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

Due to protection against cheap Chinese cars.

In China, you can get an EV below $10K.

For countries without domestic car manufacturers,.Chinese EV's are by far the cheapest cars to import.

[–] argon@lemmy.today 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It promotes investing into electric cars tight now. Without the bans, some investors might be hopeful to still profit beyond the 30s. But with the ban, it's clear for all investors to invest in electric cars.

[–] cron@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago

True, but why set a limit in 30-40 years?

Thats a whole generation, most people that work today will be retired by then (hopefully).

30 to 40 years ago, lead-free fuel, catalytic converters, airbags, and ABS became more common and started to become standard.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Ethiopia is so jacked! Ghana really impresses me, hopefully they hasten it.

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

Honestly really based

[–] Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

At least for Germany that's not the whole picture.

They banned the sale of cars that have a combustion engine running on fossil fuel starting from 2035. Semis running on Diesel are fine*. Special equipment for agriculture (harvesters, ...) can still run on anything*. If your engine runs on alcohol it's fine too**.

* might change in the future.
** Just give me a sip from your fuel tank.

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why not just ban them now that’s what I’d do.

[–] Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago

You'll need time to upgrade the infrastructure and for car makers to switch their products. That usually takes a decade.