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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24657192

Summary

In a virtual speech at the World Economic Forum, Trump suggested Canada could become a U.S. state to avoid his proposed tariffs on imports.

The remark elicited gasps from the audience.

Trump claimed the U.S. does not need Canadian lumber, energy, or vehicles, vastly overstating the trade deficit between the two nations.

He reiterated his intention to impose tariffs, potentially as high as 25%, on imports from Canada and Mexico starting February 1.

Economists warn such tariffs would raise prices for U.S. consumers.

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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 55 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

As a Canadian, fuck you Trump. Canada will never be a US state. Not sorry.

[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The amount of Americans visiting Australia who assume people here would want to live in America instead given the option was astounding to me.

[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 1 points 6 days ago

Just the coffee quality is enough reason not to. 🤣

[–] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

As they say in Canada, they're not having Nunavut these hosers, eh ?

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 2 points 6 days ago

It's bad enough being one of those states now, and I'm in one of the good ones.

[–] chuymatt@startrek.website 1 points 6 days ago

Its truedeau. (Its a pun)

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.ml 42 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Trump seems to have the goal of destroying the US from all I can tell. Our economy and power are so dependent on our connections to the rest of the world and he is burning them all down. The US dollar gets replaced as the fiat currency we are wholly fucked and this dumb shit is how that happens.

[–] Hafler@lemm.ee 32 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Somehow, even with conservatives owning all the branches of government, it will be the Dem's fault.

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago

LGBTQ+ and immigrant fear can convince conservatives of about anything.

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 days ago

If America is forced to accept austerity measures over our massive debt when the dollar is no longer fiat, regular people will be the ones who suffer sadly.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago
[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's the point, I think, as well. I could see Putin using the useful idiot to destroy the primary rival to its superiority. The US is incredibly difficult to invade. The intelligence apparatus is too ingrained in all our communication to avoid detection. If you can't get the rot to start from the outside, go for the inside.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

This is peak BlueAnon/Marvel Cinematic Delusion, where Putin is a supervillain with a global mind control network.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago

And the last gasp of our conservatives as the final pillar of the whitehouse collapses into a flaming wreck due to Trumps ridiculous toddler-like mismanagement of everything will be to blame it all on the Democrats.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 28 points 6 days ago

Trump is going to speedrun all our ~~vassals~~ allies into joining BRICS, and I’m here for it.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Us citizens pay tariff this doesn't hurt Canadians. They should call bluff and say do 30%.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It potentially reduces exports from Canada to the US, hurting our economy. Nobody wins

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Canada imports more from USA than it exports to USA. A trade war that decreases exports would hurt USA more than Canada.

The largest exports from USA to Canada are cars and trucks. (Finished products) The largest exports from Canada to USA are minerals, fuels and pulp. (Raw material)

This puts USA at a disadvantage in a tariff game, because it's a lot easier for Canada to replace American cars with Asian or European cars, than it is for USA to replace the variety of ressources that Canada provides

It's also a lot easier for Canada to find other customers for raw materials than it is to sell American cars on other continents.

[–] CuffsOffWilly@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Actually tariffs will hurt Canadians deeply. Why? Because it means that Americans will lean towards not buying products made in (or partially made in) Canada. Plus, Canada would certainly reciprocate meaning the price of everything is going to go up in Canada. It's not a good situation and our government needed to be spending the past 10 - 20 years developing stronger trade relations with other countries but instead we amplified our relationship with what is clearly a very unreliable and untrustworthy neighbour.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 5 days ago

Basically sums up how half America feels about its country.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There is no actual fentanyl or immigration basis for tariffs on Canada. Just submit to less representation than California, and help absorb large US debt with little in return for it.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago

There's no basis for tariffs on Mexico either.

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

rip you guys are gonna get couped
imperialism is manifesting itself in the imperial core

[–] Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Canada is one of the few countries that has actually defeated the USA. They even burned the white house.

[–] detectivemittens 5 points 6 days ago

American here: honestly would not mind if Canada came and did that again at this point. Please help us get the Nazis out of the White House.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 days ago

rip you guys are gonna get couped

Seems to me we got couped. It was just mostly domestically bloodless. So far.

[–] llothar@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago

American anschluss of Canada to expand their lebensraum, because they feel they deserve it.

Musk does not hide how he feels about it, we wouldn't either.

[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 9 points 5 days ago

Canada is avoiding Trump's tariffs by not becoming a state.

They are not paying the tariffs, american people do. So by joining the US they would start paying all the tariffs that Trump is putting on China's products, European products ....

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Canada’s economy is dependent on the US. Trump might actually pull this off.

Edit: More context since people are downvoting. Consider the following now picture yourself one of the greedy capitalists in Canada, which is a preferred outcome? Losing your wealth or losing Canadian sovereignty?

Just because I think it is likely doesn’t mean that I think it’s right. This is clearly wrong.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Canada is also America's largest trading partner.

America had $357 billion dollars worth of imports from Canada in 2023, if they introduce a 25% tarriff Americans will pay $446 billion instead because it's not like you'll get all that stuff anywhere else for cheaper since America is going to put tariffs on practically every other country they trade with apparently.

Corporations spend billions on the current infrastructure and trade routes and logistics, they will not uproot everything and go through the pains of firing everyone then moving to America and retraining because of a short term loss. American administrations are fickle, many of them will simply wait out the 4 years hoping it will return to normal then. If it doesn't then maybe they might consider it then but for the next 4 years Americans are going to be paying a shitload more for anything that's not made in America.

American businesses will also find it a lot more difficult to sell their products out of the country when those countries retaliate with tarriffs against them.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

Canada's oligarchs like the fact that only Israel and US is allowed to compete with them, and elections are cheaper to buy. A single state makes them lose power. Population understands only negatives from US, and also would not vote for Trump.

Unfortunately for Canadians, they are still programmed to side with US over China and Russia, and that programming makes it a blasphemy to seek independence that would also protect them from the US. As long as Canada's position is to beg to restore its fully subservient colonial status, then the Trump extortion will continue.

One goal that Musk would have behind this is that it can destroy the big 3 automakers.

[–] benji@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

Likely doesn’t mean inevitable. I am the pessimistic type, so there’s that. I hope that I am proven wrong.

[–] SneakyWeasel@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

How about trump can suck my left nut. There, I said it.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Democracy is demagogue-prone. That’s a disease to which electoral systems are vulnerable. Yet demagogues are easy to identify. They gesture a lot and speak with pulpit rhythms, using words that ring of religious fervor and god-fearing sincerity.

The practice can always be detected by anyone who learns the signs: Repetition. Great attempts to keep your attention on words. You must pay no attention to words. Watch what the person does. That way you learn the motives.

They create a system where most people are dissatisfied, vaguely or deeply. This builds up widespread feelings of vindictive anger. Then they supply targets for that anger as they need them—as distraction. Don't give time to question.

They bury mistakes in more laws. Traffic in illusion. Bullring tactics. Wave the pretty cape. People will charge it and be confused when there's no matador behind the thing. That dulls the electorate just as it dulls the bull.

Fewer people use their vote intelligently next time.

There appears to be a rule of nature that says it's almost impossible for self-serving groups to act enlightened, flowing with the forces of life, adjusting your actions that life may continue. With the greatest amount of happiness for the greatest number, of course.

The risks of democracy and how to prevent them paraphrased from Dune.

Apparent everywhere, Trump is just one in this path of centuries.

Focus on actions, not promises, and unite against inequality and division. Systems should be simple, transparent, and work for everyone, not just the wealthy or powerful. Educating and organizing workers, holding leaders accountable, and building solidarity across all groups are essential for achieving fairness. Lasting change comes from addressing root causes, not chasing temporary fixes.

Maybe the next century will show results somewhere.

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 1 points 4 days ago

I want to see Canada put out an open offer for immediate welcome, territoriship, and instant citizenship for any state along the border that votes to join Canada.