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Let's make Windows 10 the last version ever used!
*Sat. 28 Dec. 11h* Stage YELL #KDEEco 's Call To Action against e-waste driven by #Windows10.
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https://fahrplan.alpaka.space/jugend-hackt-38c3-2024/talk/ST8NJA/
I’m still using my thinkpad that’s 11 years running Linux mint beautifully.
I'm doing my part.
I unregistered my Win 10 key last Sunday and removed the SSD. All my IT is Windows free.
Never thought Id upvote a KDE post...
What's not to love about KDE?
You're quite late. I don't know if you've heard, but they've got Windows 11 now. There are people using it. Not me, but people.
All true. The point is that win 11 doesn’t support a lot of old hardware that’s perfectly usable, just doesn’t have TPM2.0 chips built into them. There are some hacks around it, but it takes a great deal of desire and proficiency to make them work.
Yeah, and it sucks in like 30 other ways, but unfortunately people aren't smart and will be going to 11 like the drones they are. I'm dual booting Linux and 10 and spend 100% of my time on 10 because having to configure and go into terminal 24/7 isn't as fun as Lemmy makes it out to be.
having to configure and go into console 24/7
You're not running any Linux that I've used in the past ten years then. What relic of a bygone age are you running?
Right? I've been running Mint the past year, can count the amount of times I had to boot into windows on my fingers, and having to use the terminal to do things is like an occasional, once every couple months thing, usually to solve a problem I've created for myself.
I remember trying Linux in the early 2010s. When it looked like a modern OS, but behaved like it always had up to that point. That was misery.
also anyone who complains about the terminal in Linux is clearly not very computer competent in Windows, as I recall frequently using Command Prompt and PowerShell to get shit done. At least, they're not doing anything remotely complex if they've never encountered or had to use either.
He's either using a 15 year old copy of Ubuntu, or he dove straight into the deep end with Arch like a dumbass and nobody told him about the wiki.
Or using an atomic/immutable distro like Bazzite. If it's not flatpacked, you have to either distrobox or docker it. Something as simple as a Plex server does require terminal use.
Lol. Not taking the bait on this one. Have a good Christmas.
^ 10 bucks this guy uses Arch instead of anything simpler lol
Most settings average “Facebook machine” users need are available on common distros without touching a console.
Unless you want to emulate common windows software. Then only God can save you.
I use Arch, btw
is QEMU god?
I've been on Linux Mint for the past several months and I think I've needed the terminal twice?
Once I couldn't find a GUI option to adjust the brightness/gamma, but searching found me the terminal command so I just used that.
More recently I needed newer Nvidia drivers than were available by default, so I had to add a new PPA thing. We'll find out later today if I'm going to regret that.
I would really love it if we could get normal people using Linux but Linux has to come to them in terms of usability, to be honest. The Steam Deck did it, so it's clearly doable.
But in the state of things we're in, I'm afraid that *most people* are gonna follow Windows to Windows 11. and their understandings of how computing is will be mutilated by it.
and therefore we get more anprims per capita, because if you think that's not at least in part downstream of big tech fuckery you're lying to yourself
Linux ain't the problem there. Usability is more of that nonsense thought up by corporations to scare people. Computers are tricky, whether Windows or Linux, and the only reason Windows is more popular is they've been installing it on people's computers without asking for decades. Honestly most people don't even have computers these days. All they get to have is a phone.
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I agree. I am quite comfortable with computers but, since I have switched to Linux about 10 years ago, I struggle any time I am asked for help on a Windows system.
It's not intuitive at all. Among the quirks, there are still 2 separate control panels that overlap, but not completely, then you have ever-buggy OneDrive, invasive notifications, a convoluted Start menu, …
People find it simple only because they are used to it.
Like many abuse victims, they apologize and don't even see how bad it is. I see... things are... bad on all fronts. We need right to repair, and abolish trademark and copyright, and idea patents. And friends near us.
You're so close. What's actually needed is that it comes pre-installed by default.
@gyro @be4foss @kde the goal of that event is very ambitious I agree, but if I see that alone this year I myself made 4 friends and my mom to move to Linux then getting Linux to a solid market share and minimalising waste is a practicable goal.
I wouldn't say it was easy. It is hard work and explaining a normal person what the difference between X11 and Wayland is is next to impossible.
There will be some people who just can't afford a new PC and we basically just need to help them.
@gyro @be4foss @kde @NafiTheBear i think a significant amount of people are going to just not bother buying another laptop once their Win10 one sucks too much, because they're on their phones for everything these days
@kyle_pegasus
@be4foss @kde @NafiTheBear
Well that's depressing, that gonna put us so much further away from ever making things good again
It's certainly an interesting move from the side of Microsoft. Discontinuing W10 will certainly lose them some marketshare.
I relent, I need to switch. the proposed bullshit has gotten to much for even me, the world's laziest man.
Just a lazy man in a worky world. Should have been born a Limited Liability Corporation.
W11 is like vista, all frills and no substance. Some people will skip the upgrade due to slowness (it's slow with i7+16gb sometimes) and in case of users who use chrome only, ChromeOS flex or its siblings could be a solution.
@be4foss @kde
I've been on linux for 15 years, very lazy, I never use CLI..
The walled garden of most community repos & GUI package managers is easier & safer than windows, no defrag, no messing with a registry or periodic restores...
I'm on Debian KDE stable via Spiral [choice of DE's], nice user friendly install, Discovery as package manager, Btrfs & Snapper for recovery/backup, the dev is helpful, Debian help is easy to find
My last daily driver Mageia
@be4foss @kde
I've installed Mageia for low tech seniors over the years, the online version up grade tool, just works, They never call :(
I have an old think pad with Mageia as my backup, tolerates long periods without updates
I like being on the mothership[Debian] :D
But, mostly once the pc's have hardware issues or the users go to phones & Chromebooks
I don't help people with the problem they ain't got, if there is even the slightest interest, I'm there
Linux is ready for the webbrowser. Office? No, MS Office does not run and still the marketshare for MS Office is very high on Windows. It does not run on Linux. If the alternatives were better then people would use them. Gaming? Maybe for Steam OS but that is only one distro. If you choose something else you will not have such smooth experience. The user might be better off by moving to console. Any business tool like Adobe or custom built Windows tools does not work. This is very hard to change. Hence many can't even move to mac os due to this. Media Player/View Pictures? Yes, Linux is ready here.
Can you choose to have Linux pre installed on a new laptop? No, not normally.
There is still some work to do. I hope we get there. We are close for home users.
Personally I use Fedora with Firefox.
If the alternatives were better then people would use them
No. You are underestimating the power of a monopoly.
And Microsoft software comes pre-installed on every shelf computer.
Computers can be bought off-the-shelf with operating systems other than Windows from a few vendors including Apple, Dell, System76, and others.
Yes, trail period of MS Office. But when it runs out then they have to choose what to do. Buy or pick anything else? I think the problem here is that they know they will get full compatibility with others if they buy MS Office. MS Office does not even follow their own protocol standard. Some know that the webbased version is free. That makes it really hard to compete. I hope EU fix this.
Can it run substance painter yet?
Substance painter has always ran on Linux, has it not?
I thino they mean Adobe Substance Painter. I don't think it works on Linux, as it also requires Creative Cloud, iirc.
I had no idea they had a Linux version, but I can't find any cracked copies quite as easily as I can for windows. Suggestions welcome.
You could try the steam version with lutris, no idea how well that works
Regarding corporate support:
In my current and late companies, we had the choice between a Mac Powerbook (latest model) or a Dell Latitude, also from the latest and more powerful model. With two or three OS flavours: latest Windows, latest Mac OS X or a Linux distro of your choice.
Mac and Windows are managed by the IT department. Linux is managed by us at "own risk" basis (we do have to follow a few security directives though).
If a user has a problem with her Mac or Win10 they get help from the IT department.
If this is a member of the finance department, it is OK for her to lose an hour or two for an IT person to repair it or troubleshoot remotely. If it happens to me, I can resolve almost any issue related to Mac, Windows or Linux in minutes. Thus, waiting for a few hours because I can't tweak a setting myself is a waste of time and lowers my productivity.
That's a fact that not many people think about. Not even people who, like me, are IT professionals and work with Windows or Mac OS X machines linked to large Linux systems.
I also do not understand people who complain about "Linux" (meaning a desktop distro) is "difficult", get a Mac and don't complain, even though it is just alien from the Windows point of view, has less of the "little programs" someone was mentioning in this thread, and has a pretty bad support for anything that's not super-trivial.
@be4foss @kde Live stream of Joseph's talk: https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/yell
Video recording will be available here:
I think the single biggest issue I have with Linux is package management. Maybe this is purely distribution dependent, but for example in Ubuntu most of the packages are way outdated, not even on the latest stable version. Then I either have to:
None of those options are appealing. And along with these multiple options I end up having multiple versions of things installed in different locations in different ways and also my PATH ends up a big mess, I think I'm just doing something very wrong.
Flatpaks environment now is the closest to the Windows experience.
Open the app store (GNOME Software / KDE Discover), search, click install, click run.
Flatpak for the Win!
Get it? For the WIN?
aurful
