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Let me know if this is appropriate for this community.

I've been collecting links to post, blog, article, comment, etc that criticize the fediverse, whether it's about the specific apps or fediverse in general, whether it's about the technical aspect or about the social aspect.

If you also found one, feel free to share it here.

(date format is YYYY-MM-DD)

2024

2023

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hello,

I mostly had a look at the Lemmy posts, seems like most of them are 10 months - 1 year old. Lemmy has evolved a lot since then, user-level instance muting was a big change for instance.

The most active communities being on other instances than .ml is also a notable change.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

From my experience, some of the things got way worse

There is american politics on completely unrelated posts and "memes" that are just statements about how capitalism is bad on meme communities

[–] Elevator7009sAlt@ani.social 5 points 1 month ago

Annoys me, as an American with political opinions that often agree with the posted ones.

I don't look at any meme communities because of this.

[–] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago

Those people who spams posts like that annoys me very much. It ruined my experience of using Lemmy

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is american politics on completely unrelated posts and “memes” that are just statements about how capitalism is bad on meme communities

If that's a shared feeling, at some point someone will create "actual memes" community and it will take over

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

c/nonpolitical_memes exists

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Though, I think a lot has stayed the same. I regularly read the same complaints that have been brought up over and over again for a long time now. I'm not sure if the UI, or moderation woes, or the atmosphere, or the size, or amount of argumentative people have changed substantially.

That's a minority opinion. I've brought that up before and been pointed at the Changelog and told lots of things have changed. It just doesn't feel that way for me.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

UI

Which one? With the variety of front ends and mobile apps, experiences can be very different

moderation woes

Power tripper get regularly called out on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for a few months

atmosphere argumentative people

Very community dependant

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I (or we) have solved those issues for us. Or found workarounds. I'm not sure if that translates to the regular user, though. I guess most people are using some mobile apps anyways. So UI issues are an entirely different story.

And posting to the drama communities mostly adds drama here. It doesn't make it any better.

I agree, all of this is very community and instance dependant. I didn't address OP's links directly. But that's the reason why I'd dismiss a lot of them. For example if you're reading the "All" feed, and then go ahead to complain it's too much Linux news... That's just stupid. Or if you're on lemmy.world and complain about their moderation policies. We all know how the dynamics are. Or if you're on lemmy.ml doing anything...

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And posting to the drama communities mostly adds drama here. It doesn’t make it any better.

It allowed to switch from !lotrmemes@midwest.social to !lotrmemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Sure, nothing against a bit of shameless self promotion for communities we like, or foster... What's the issue with the midwest.social version? I couldn't find any drama post you might be referring to.

Thanks for the links, btw.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's abysmal behaviour. I'd be happy if we had some more tools and technology to handle those kinds of things. I mean In my experience some people really get a big head from all the power they're wielding in their small world, moderating a community or even running a website... Plus we got some people who are just not suited for the job... It is how it is... 🙃

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

Indeed, that's why the best we have now is that community.

Sure, there is drama, but that's the only tool we have

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Which one? With the variety of front ends and mobile apps, experiences can be very different

Unfortunately, this basically translates to "if you know the secret handshake, you can make it better". New users don't know the handshake, and more casual users aren't going to bother looking for instructions on how to do it. They already struggle with the idea of there being different URLs.

Which is a significant UI issue, as well. The most popular web servers leveraging ActivityPub continue to ape the visual form of centralized social media, which communicates to users that they work like centralized social media. But they don't. Form follows function, and therefore form implies function. This is a significant source of the friction new users experience.

Remember, most new users are neither broken glass rejectors of some other website, nor are they ideologues. They're just trying something new out, to see if it's better than what they already have.

And the fediverse, point blank, is not. Mastodon is not better at being Twitter than Xitter or Bluesky. Lemmy is not better at being Reddit than Reddit. But they both look like they're trying to be Twitters or Reddits. The result is that this place looks like the wish-dot-com version of the big players.

Power tripper get regularly called out on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for a few months

Power tripping occurs everywhere. The bigger issue is that because the fediverse is trying to pretend it's just like centralized social media, moderation issues can appear a lot different here. For one, they tend to play out much more publicly, because a lot of them occur at the site admin level. For another, the idea of defederation is alien to centralized social media users, and the idea that they could be cut off from the people or communities they follow due to no fault of their own feels incredibly unjust. Even if the reason for defederation is totally understandable, the admins have followed a robust procedure, and alternatives have been tried, it still feels arbitrary to someone who's not involved.

But that's again a concern of significance because everyone wants to make believe this space is just like centralized social media. That the differences are superficial, and not backed into the very core of the experience. It's also, in part, due to the limited range of moderation features currently explored. We mostly still have moderation suites that make the most sense in... wait for it... centralized settings.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 4 weeks ago

Unfortunately, this basically translates to “if you know the secret handshake, you can make it better”. New users don’t know the handshake, and more casual users aren’t going to bother looking for instructions on how to do it.

No, I've seen quite a few people saying they only use Lemmy through Voyager or Boost, they never see the Web UI.

Both are quite good UI wise, hence my question.

They already struggle with the idea of there being different URLs.

Hopefully this will be solved in version 0.20: https://feddit.org/post/5390705

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 1 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds like it's mostly just an education issue.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago

This comes across as highly biased - perhaps you could make another post like this, where people sing the praises of the Fediverse? Not in terms of promises but the reality of actual experiences? And then link it here and vice versa, to give people a more accurate take of both Pros and Cons.

Overall some things do seem to be getting better. Not quickly, or even sufficiently, but inexorably it does seem to be happening. Although it also gets worse too in other ways so... I'm not sure what to say about the overall situation.

Personally, I'm going to start blocking more communities, which I find very sad bc I used to greatly enjoy those very same ones.:-(

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Would be nice if you could sort these by date.

[–] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's a good idea. I'm still adding things to be clear

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ye, but it's good to know that some are opinions that are 1 year+ old. I Would personally separate the articles in 1+ years old, and the rest.

[–] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Noted, moved posts made in 2024 to the top

I still think that most of the posts from 2023 is applicable now

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago

https://lemmy.world/post/22316287 - I really want to like Lemmy, 2024-11-22

I still stand by my comment there

Feel free to block communities with political content.

You can also use an app or alternative frontend to filter keywords. !newtolemmy@lemmy.ca has a post about that.

For communities, !newcommunities@lemmy.world can help

For home kit, the Apple communities are probably more active, and you should be able to post about it there too

https://lemmy.world/comment/13596291

[–] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Should I cross post this to !fediverse@lemmy.world?

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Feel free!

[–] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Kinda regret doing it, the post is very biased

What was I thinking making this post

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 weeks ago

It's not too late to turn things around and pretend it was a joke

https://lemmy.world/post/23320272

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

imho (50+ years old dude that is not much of a geek and understand not much either), the main issue and one that is shared by most if not all social media but is more annoying on Lemmy, is the fact that by default a new or a potential user is supposed to be reading the full flow of content. And then we're surprised most run away screaming in disgust?

It's a bit like entering a restaurant and being expected by the owner to take a bite or two of every single plate on the menu, and dessert, before being asked what it is we wanted to order.

Be it Reddit, or Twitter, or Lemmy if the default content is of extremely low value and often extremely low effort, qnd when it's not it's still content most people just won't be interested in. So, why force it under everyone's eyes?

The default/new user access to content could have been made opt-in, instead of op-out. Instantly muting most of the noise, trash, and low value content.

Imagine the home page empty of any content by default, save a selection of the most 'popular' tags or community names, say with a description, that the user is still expected to select from before the timeline starts showing them any related content, and then an option to search for more (more specific) communities.

I know a few people my age that have tried Lemmy but could not stand being asked to swallow the constant flow of politics, or memes, or anger, or whatever. Those are legit content to anyone interested in them, just having them the default experience for everybody may not the best idea?

Once again, it's the same on reddit. But reddit had two advantages for people like me: we already had an account and we knew how it worked, so it was obvious how to escape the numerous type of content we did not want to see. It's much less obvious on Lemmy, and even less so if one has not yet created an account... which is the most likely.

[–] rimu@piefed.social 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I solved this on PieFed by allowing admins to designate which communities can show up on the home page for logged-out users. See https://piefed.social for an example of how it turned out.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 2 points 4 weeks ago

Thx!

[–] N3M@reddthat.com 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I've got an interest in the decentralized protocols and have written about them before, so I've got a bit of a disorganized treasure trove of articles, opinions, and blog posts I've gone through at some point. As a side note, shutout to the single file plugin for Gecko & Chromium based browsers, it's a great way to grab an archive of anything you might want to reference later.

I went through my list of archives plus a few things that came to mind that I've read/watched, below are things that (at least in part) take a more critical look at Activity Pub as a protocol or community.

Blog Posts & Articles:

Lemmy Threads:

Vids, Social Media Posts, & Misc:

[–] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 weeks ago

Thank you <3