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“if we give our data to companies, the wealthy will rule.

If we give our data to governments, we will end up with some form of authoritarianism.

Only if the people keep their data will society be free.

#Privacy matters because it gives power to the people.”

— Carissa Véliz, “Privacy is Power”

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[–] _elena@mastodon.social 2 points 1 month ago (10 children)

File under: Privacy is a basic human right, on constant assault by #BigTech.

Today I learned that several #Android apps have decided to ban the use of "non-Google" approved OSes.

Post by @Sunny@slrpnk.net on #Lemmy: "Revolut, McDonald's, and Authy have banned the use of GrapheneOS"

I find this really troubling. I don't care about McDonalds or Authy. But banking! I'm a Revolut customer and I was considering switching to a Pixel 9 with #GrapheneOS. This is chilling.

#privacy

[–] guenther@chaos.social 1 points 1 month ago

@_elena@mastodon.social @Sunny@slrpnk.net

Isn't only reason that any of these apps worked before that Graphene included Google Play services in the first place?

[–] mini_george@mastodon.social 1 points 1 month ago

@_elena@mastodon.social @Sunny@slrpnk.net do it anyway. buy a low end samsung phone (not xiaomi as they track like a lot more and the interface is annoying), put a firewall and use revolut in there. don't forget to put it to a vpn and dns and yeah, that's all. modern burner phone

[–] PC_Fluesterer@social.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

@_elena@mastodon.social

If your bank app refuses to run under #CustomROM change the Bank.
I for one use only CustomROM (LineageOS, /e/OS, iodéOS, VollaOS) and don't have problems with banking apps.
I would never buy or use a device designed and produced by #Google. 🤮

@Sunny@slrpnk.net

[–] privacy_guru@mastodon.social 1 points 1 month ago

@_elena@mastodon.social @Sunny@slrpnk.net One option to get around that is to use your browser to sign into your bank. It's not as convenient but it works well enough. Have you considered that option?

[–] sturmsucht@mastodon.social 1 points 1 month ago

@_elena@mastodon.social do it anyway. It's worth it.

[–] mrakmm@mastodon.social 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

@_elena@mastodon.social @Sunny@slrpnk.net Unfortunately, I am also a Revolut bank user, I sent them a complaint that I do not want Google on my phone, so that they should respect my decision and allow me to continue using the app, even though I have pure Android. I gave them a rating of 1 on Google Play because it takes away my right to use the app.
#privacy #grapheneos #myrights #degoogle

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[–] soaproot@sfba.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@_elena@mastodon.social @Sunny@slrpnk.net From a privacy point of view you are often best off with a web site rather than an app (using, say, a browser like Mull). Not trying to oversimplify a somewhat complicated situation, but it is something I am trying to figure out as I try to map out a future which is more based on F-Droid and the like than the more closed alternatives.

[–] ELS@sfba.social 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

@soaproot @_elena @Sunny Agreed. I use almost no apps. Everything via browser. The companies are always pushing their apps, but I just say NO!

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[–] energisch_@troet.cafe 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@_elena@mastodon.social Privacy is also a necessary pillar for all democracies.

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[–] pa27@mastodon.social 1 points 1 month ago

@_elena@mastodon.social I start to wonder if this is backwards. Big companies will always find a way to get the data if they want it. But it only has value if we allow it to. After all - what do they do with it? Advertise, badly? ... Which we can simply ignore, and let them waste their time and money.

[–] phoenixgee@mastodon.social 1 points 1 month ago

@_elena@mastodon.social Oh NOW they're coming up with this? Took them only... i dunno... 30 years?!

[–] mastootoo@mastodon.social 1 points 1 month ago
[–] HitAndMiss@mastodon.social 1 points 1 month ago

@_elena@mastodon.social That horse may have left the barn, but we should make an effort.

[–] IcePee@todon.eu 1 points 1 month ago

@_elena@mastodon.social Porque no los dos? Authoritarianism by corporation?

[–] keithmeure@aus.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@_elena@mastodon.social thanks for all your posts Elena! I love all you stand for in tech. Brilliant blog too!

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[–] texhewson@datasci.social 1 points 1 month ago

@_elena@mastodon.social Fantastic book, but I can never do "big summaries" so I'll just post a picture of the book instead

@_elena@mastodon.social

Technology is both our friend & foe in this regards__because there are humans that are either our friend or foe. In other words, people that are just getting on with their lives in a generally honest way, or people whose agendas mean they seek to exploit others (inc. their data)

The latter is cronyism

It's in our own personal interests for, e.g., health professionals to access our personal health data (medical records). But, cronies use our personal data against us.

[–] jla@fosstodon.org 1 points 1 month ago

@_elena@mastodon.social so true...

!

#happy1984

let's watch our digital step and...

#hack back ?

put some color !

[–] hikingdude@mastodon.social 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

@_elena@mastodon.social
I just wanted to write "fully agree", but always beware of the extremes. Germany has learned the "don't give too much data to a central government" and has separated institutions and states.

The price is that we as citizens often have to give similar information to different institutions - and that can suck! "can't they just get the info from xyz". But that's the other side of the coin.

Everything comes by a price.
(this is not a "we must centralise" - just a "everything has a price")

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