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Europe won’t be able to finance Ukraine’s defenses against Russia’s invasion on its own if the US withdraws support under Donald Trump’s next presidency, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said Friday.

Orban said recent events vindicated the conclusions from his controversial July diplomatic mission to Kyiv, Moscow and Beijing and showed Ukraine was losing the war.

“The Americans are going to get out of this war,” Orban, who is hosting a European Union summit in Budapest on Friday, said on public radio. “Europe can’t finance this war on its own.”

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 weeks ago

In a sane world, orban, putin, Fico and Trump would have been rid of years ago

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The Americans are going to get out of this war,

I just hope he is correct

[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope the Russians get out of it as it has hurt them the most.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago

It has unquestionably hurt the Ukrainian people the most.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Americans aren't in the war. They're just dealing in arms.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Americans are in the war, but Western media aren’t going to broadcast that. We have support forces in Ukraine, we provide Ukraine with invaluable intel and targeting data, we have American volunteers in the International Legion (one of whom was killed in action this week, and he wasn’t the first). Biden announced yesterday that he’s going to let even more Americans directly fight in this war.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago

The international legion is made up of people from around the world, not just the US. It's not under US command. US civilians can act as they wish. Their actions are not the actions of their country.

The story you link is Biden relaxing US corporations taking up supply and support contracts. The article even says that these organisations will NOT be fighting, yet you willfully misinterpret it.

The USA, the country, is not in Ukraine.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

For all the people here "supporting Ukraine" because you know, if Putin captures Ukraine then he will genocide Ukrainians and all that - this is exactly the same narration that Zelensky's regime is using to kidnap people and send them to the meatgrinder (kill them). A video from Kharkiv where TCC attempts to kidnap people from a bus scaring them with "Russian World" coming to Ukraine: https://files.catbox.moe/c72hez.MP4

People in the bus are accusing them of being "a traitor to the motherland" and telling them to go fuck themselves. But you know better what those people should do, right? They all should go and die for your wild fantasies of "but but but Putin will invade the whole world if we don't stop him (well, not you personally of course, why would you go and fight your wars, but you know, Ukrainians)".
After all, Zelensky said that Ukrainians are willing to fight, and he would never lie, right? All the videos, articles in your western medias about people NOT wanting to fight but still being exterminated by Zelensky's regime, etc are fakes.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: Pro russia bot

The Russiagate conspiracy theories are evergreeen.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Eh, and as almost my every comment like this one, it got reported by some LW user with reason "pro Russian bot" :/
If you think that caring about peoples' lives and posting evidence of human right abuses is somehow a sign of a person being Russian, or just something that is worth a condemnation.. What kind of mental gymnastics routine are you doing every morning to still consider yourself a good person?..

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You know, I would be surprised that you say this insane shit, but you are in a libertarian instance, so irony is lost. Although I've never seen a libertarian tankie, so thats new. Fuck the government unless that government is a fascist one with a dictator, then that is okay of course

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Fuck the government unless that government is a fascist one with a dictator, then that is okay of course

What? I just criticized a fascist government with a dictator, and you accuse me of not doing that? 🤦‍♂

And what is "insane" in my comment?

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ukranian governement is not fascist, nor with a dictator. If they werent invaded by a fascist imperialist government, they would have had elections by now. They don't have them, because the polling places would be shelled by orcs, as they always shell civilians.

Posting a random video, with a story, without providing a single fucking source (that isn't russian propaganda). You also insinuated zelenski is exterminating his people, which is insane

Ukranian governement is not fascist, nor with a dictator.

It is both. Zelensky's regime ticks almost every (or just every) description of fascism from wikipedia. He is a dictator. Even your comment in the next sentences doesn't DISPROVE it, you merely try to JUSTIFY it.

Posting a random video, with a story, without providing a single fucking source (that isn't russian propaganda).

I (re)posted dozens of such videos already, where my compatriots who haven't managed to escape Zelensky's murderous regime either fight kidnapping attempts from TCC, or try to escape or are getting caught and busified.
This was described countless times in western media https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/10/03/ukraine-is-employing-increasingly-controversial-methods-for-mobilization_6728127_4.html and I actually just found out it is also described in wikipedia now, including the word busification https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis, and yet there is always someone to deny it. As for my sources, I mainly take it from Ukrainian telegram channels, where people post those from first sources.
"Ухилянт Iнфо": https://t.me/+ECYgfpxkTz4zOGNh
"Ховайся": https://t.me/HOVAYSY
"Реальний Київ": https://t.me/kievreal1

But Ukrainians are Russian bots now, right? How dare we, not willing to die for your interests?

You also insinuated zelenski is exterminating his people, which is insane

Why? He literally forbade people from leaving the country, kidnaps people one by one off the streets and sends them to their deaths. How is this not an extermination? Every moment he remains in power is a moment he exterminates more and more Ukrainians, if he won't be stopped he will kill everyone.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The only positive outcome from Harris losing.

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So you want the fascist imperialist ruzzia to win, you dirty tankie pig

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] highduc@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not a great guy, but in this case he is completely right.

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[–] Hirom 6 points 2 weeks ago

Says the man always dragging his feet when time comes to support Ukraine's self-defense

[–] 1984 4 points 2 weeks ago

Can this guy die already? And Fico too? It would help the region immensely.