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How do we feel with our content being federated one-way to ClubsAll? (lemm.ee)
submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by Blaze@lemm.ee to c/meta@lemm.ee
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In reference to this thread:

Tl,dr:

What do you all think about this?

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Personally, I think it's quite unfair for them to federate all our posts and comments, and make their platform appear busy, while they don't allow federation of their own content, and they don't allow self-hosting either.

If we imagine what could happen in the future

  • As they are on ProductHunt, they manage to raise a few millions, hire devs, develop every feature you can think about under the sun
  • Fediverse users move massively to ClubsAll to enjoy the new features, Redditors move too because it's better than Reddit
  • Over time, due to those new features and other "technical reasons",, federation with Lemmy and others becomes clunky, or completely stops
  • Meta / Google / Reddit buys ClubsAll and start to look how to extract a profit from the large userbase, enshittifies the mobile app, the web interface, etc.

Seems to bring us back to the current Reddit situation with extra steps.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

The Threads situation

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I dont like the idea of defederation from a free speach perspective. But ive said this before and ill say it again. One direction federation is not federation it is theft.

Surly we can establiah a federation policy (across as many instances as nessasary) with the following:

  1. No federating content to or from any other instance in a single direction.
  2. No federating sponsored or paid content that is not marked as sponsored in both human and machine readable format.
  3. No federating with any instance that does not follow these rules.
  4. No using content if these rules are not complied with

I think we need to establish these 4 as the prerequisite of a continued open and free fediverse.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

Nice proposal

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Unless their users can interact here it's going to be dead there

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I just checked, it does federate:

Edit: also notice how the Fediverse link on LW does not work, it gives an error instead of redirect to the ClubsAll comment

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh, so OP got it wrong?

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm OP, I guess I wasn't clear.

  • !clubsall@clubsall.com does not work, the clubsall communities cannot be federate from Lemmy instances
  • comments from clubsall do federate, as seen above
[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ohh, sorry for misunderstanding

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

No worries, I edited the post, hopefully it's more clear now

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I have to open an account there to try, but I'm pretty sure they can.

Also, I forgot to point out that their interface is very fast and polished, and they have a few nice features (such as multicommunities, though hard-coded and not user-based). This might draw some users there.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you do, let me know what instance those users post onto here. So I can block it

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

I was about to suggest Lemm.ee (as it's the instance I post the most to) to actually defederate ClubsAll, that way it's solved for everyone.

[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think I might start adding a suffix to my posts

If you are reading this on CurbsAll, it was stolen from Lemmy.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

I was thinking about this, but defederation might be simpler

[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

jesus fuck, man. ive blocked you like three times. how many accounts do you have

[–] sag@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

9 or 10 also why?

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

Curious as well

[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago

I honestly dont remember the original complaint, (something vaguely about reddit powermodding, association with dogjesus and flyingoctopus? im not a fan of smug supersonic? He cuts his jib wrong, idr really) but at this point I'm annoyed at playing whack-a-mole with alts.