A place for majestic STEMLORD peacocking, as well as memes about the realities of working in a lab.
Rules
This is a science community. We use the Dawkins definition of meme.
like you go to the not-believing-until-seeing convention with lies and what? expect to get away with it?
Fuck capitalism!
We need housing and food for everyone, then we can all chill out and focus on advancing further.
This hamster wheel of shit is going to kill us all.
but think of the bajilionaires! how will they afford their yachts without stealing value from people!?
With their bootstraps! And hustle! And so much work that they do 10 days a week!
Uhhh... how will you get that food into childrens mouths before it spoils? how will you store it? also, people have always built their home. are you saying it should be given? thats not very dignified.
Dignified?
There is a housing crisis in every developed country, millions of people are homeless while there are multiple times more empty units just because 'investments'.
Where is dignity in that?
And for food, we need to support local produce, ideally something like hydroponics, so we can sustain everyone for as little work as possible, leaving the option to pursue better options at their leisure.
ok. so you definitely want someone else to provide a bunch of housing, free or cheap. I suppose you'd like that with hot water on tap, flushing toilets, a/c during summer and heat during winter because "muh human dignity". amirite?
Have you ever heard of The Community ?
I want all of those things for everyone, not just for 'someone else to provide', but for every able person to provide for everyone.
You want a servant to provide it for free?
Money corrupts absolutely everything: science, politics, people...
Nah. Money is simply the mechanism that reveals true character.
That is absolute nonsense. Where does the idea that the nastiest expression of desires is the truest come from? It's a completely absurd and unverifiable idea.
People do stuff, putting people in power over others tends to result in the people doing worse stuff. The variable we can tweak here is the power.
Anyone have the Patron?
Anyone have the Patrone?
really? never?
$19m in grants
i can't imagine they are just left with the money after
If you're already committing fraud, what's a little embezzlement sprinkled on top?
The thing that gets me is that these people are all really smart. If someone is willing to lie and do math, why not work at an unscrupulous pharma/finance company? They'd make way more money and do way less work. I'd even argue that fraud in the private sector is less unethical - if investors give money to a fraud they deserve to lose it, and regulators take an adversarial stance and have whole orgs (in theory) policing fraud like the SEC and FDA.
It takes a really particular kind of scumbag to seek a position of public trust, make a bunch of trainees financially and professionally dependent on them, accept taxpayer money intended to help cancer patients, then commit fraud.
Very few people start with big transgressions. Usually stuff escalates.
It's why need systems that don't put humans in situations where bad behaviour is incentivised. Also why we need to be forgiving when someone comes forward with a small transgression, so people don't get stuck in escalating cycles.
I'm sure this guy did some solid research once upon a time.
I don't think it is a "and then commit fraud". They only got caught for the recent stuff.
Oftentimes payed by insurance companies or have other financial intrests
It's not just science, although science plays a role in every field. It's everywhere, and why we've reached market saturation with mediocrity, in every field, every business. Those who would exceed mediocrity are ostracized and othered as if excellence is a bad thing, unless they are willing to compromise in other, not public-facing areas.
we've reached market saturation with mediocrity
You're only saying that because our society has decided that being average is bad, and being below average is unacceptable.
That photo of Richard Eckert looks like the Leo reaction image; like he's thinking 'Oh my God I can't believe they're still buying this shit!'
The amount of grands they get is enough to understand how one might be inclined to continue/prolong the research project they are doing. On the other hand there is the sunk cost fallacy. They spend all this time and effort on a research subject basically staking their whole carriers on it being right or giving results and they can't give up. I'm guessing most is doing it because of the sunk cost fallacy.
Daniel Suelo should do science
If Scientists don't publish they do not get grants. Grants it turns out pay their rent, and things like food, and transportation, and kids summer camp. Failure also has a detrimental effect in the attaining of grant monies. There's a direct line here. For those that choose to go down this road, they do it for as long as they can get away with it, then try to plea bargain.
Academia needs to be restructured, just like everything else
Hey, that sounds like Communism!1!
Count me in!
This reminds me of der rote liste, the big directory of all pharmaceutical drugs. during the 90s I opened the huge book on random pages and read the details of ~200 drugs. i concluded that maybe 1/50 prescription drugs are truly beneficial.
