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I had two reasons, the first is because i found it way too easy to spend on my card without thinking, and the second because I wanted to regain a bit of privacy alongside everything else I'm doing. Ive set it up in my bank that on payday, an amount of my salary automatically goes to the bills account, some goes to long term savings, some to short term savings, then the rest I take out in cash.

It really does change my perception of spending I think: Ive found myself not buying things because I didnt want to break a note and carry change. I can physically see how much I have left. I can take £20 to the pub and leave when its finished. Plus it feels really good knowing every single transaction isnt stored forever. I have a small amount of money on a contactless ring for emergencies like a bus fare or somewhere that unexpectedly only takes card.

Is anyone else still predominantly using cash day to day?

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[–] Bapanada@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 6 months ago (4 children)

“Is anyone else still predominantly using cash day to day?”

Yes. Germany.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 15 points 6 months ago

Hm. Since covid, even my local bakery started taking cards. Even most corner shops for late night beers do. Kebab is usually still impossible, but that seems like the final frontier.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

Heh, Germany isn't a good example. Its really hard to find a German bank that doesn't charge you money to let you take cash out of your own account.

Most countries in South America use cash for most transactions.

[–] smeeps@lemmy.mtate.me.uk 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

This is one thing the UK is really good for, all bank owned ATMs and most public ones are completely free to use for any cardholder of any bank. My bank doesn't even have physical branches but I can still use the ATM of any bank lobby for free. There are some paid ones run by private companies but the fee is usually a flat £1-2 max. I've been to ATMs in Europe that have tried to charge me something like 10EUR to take out 30.

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[–] sem@lemmy.ml 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm starting to use more cash for daily spendings. The rise of surveillance pricing is terrible, better to hide qt least some of information from my bank.

[–] smeeps@lemmy.mtate.me.uk 31 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I'm finding supermarkets locking their regular prices behind an app or loyalty card is getting out of control. Out of all the major supermarkets, ONLY Aldi has nothing of the sort currently.

Tesco and Sainsbury's will often have a £3 item that costs £6 without their loyalty card. Of course it's £3 in every other shop: it's not a special offer for members, it's a punishment price for those who don't give away their data.

[–] sem@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago

A nice way to understand how much your data costs

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Wow, I've never seen pricing that bad without a loyalty card in the US. Not saying it doesn't happen, quite often it's a 20-30% discount for the loyalty card, and occasionally more if you use the app (which I refuse, since I use Jenny's number for the loyalty card).

You're right to call it a punishment. Wonder if we can aggregate the loyalty app program somehow, like host the app in an Android VM on a VPS that anyone can then access, so the data they get is muddied.

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[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Apparently there has been an uptick in people using cash in the UK because it helps with budgeting. Which has become more necessary since 60% of inflation started coming from corporate profiteering and four people became able to outcompete twenty million others in the market.

[–] Turbo@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Some credit cards offer 2% cash back... (Not points) So it's hard to give that up when you get 2% off for just about every dollar you spend. Why wouldn't you put every dollar on card you would normally spend.

This doesn't work well if you are paying interest...

If you're fiscally savvy and don't overspend and can pay your balance in full every month and are not paying interest, this is a strong vote for choosing over cash.

However, without that....I see no benefit and would use more cash for all reasons in this thread.

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

This is sort of a scam though. Credit cards give rewards, but then charge the business for the processing fees. So the business needs to raise prices to cover the fees. So really no one is getting that 2% except for the card network. And if you don't use a card you lose 2%.

It is basically a protection racket. "It would be a shame if you didn't use our credit card and had to pay 2% more everywhere"

Yes, I know it is complicated. Handling cash also costs non-trivial amounts. I know that the EU has limits on fees (and that is why basically no credit cards have rewards there). I also know that some businesses see the fee as more of a marketing costs because higher spenders tend to use cards and people tend to spend more on cards.

[–] off_brand_ 6 points 6 months ago

Out in NYC, the bodegas all have a little plaquard saying that either 1: listed prices include a 2% credit card fee and you can save by using cash, or 2: listed prices may not match your final charge because they add a 2% fee on top for credit cards.

Which is the same thing effectively but it can be sometimes confusing if you're trying to watch for the fee.

Anecdotally, I have sometimes noticed the cashier will say a price, and then say a slightly different price when I pull out the card. So it's not like they always apply the fee regardless. At least some of the time anyway.

Not universal of course. I don't remember if that's also true for grocery stores, and it's probably not the case for big chains but honestly I don't know.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 4 points 6 months ago

You're also paying in the data they sell on you

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[–] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well that's the way it should be. If they're selling your data, they should compensate you for that in some way. Then it becomes a personal decision as to how much it matters to you.

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[–] reboot6675@sopuli.xyz 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Been thinking of trying this. Thing is nobody uses cash anymore around here (Nordics). In supermarkets I know for sure I can use cash, but restaurants, bars or small business it's going to be hit and miss. I guess I'd have to endure the awkwardness of asking in every single place if they take cash or not

[–] blaine@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Businesses aren't legally required to accept cash?

[–] smeeps@lemmy.mtate.me.uk 5 points 6 months ago

No, same in the UK. How could you force them to take cash if they don't want to?

[–] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago

The cash I have on hand comes exclusively from playing pub gigs in a band. That is still very much a cash-driven economy where I am. When I accumulate enough, I usually wind up spending it on music gear, so I don't think this hobby of mine is major wealth-builder. But while many businesses are moving away from cash, it seems music stores are used to people like me and still allow fairly hefty cash transactions.

The other day I was settling my tab at the pub and the guy hands me a machine. I say, I'll pay by cash thanks. He says really?!? Dude, you literally just handed me cash for the gig tonight. Oh yeah…

[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is all perfect when you live in a responsible country where people pay their taxes. Instead, when you live in a place where paying your taxes is seen as something stupid, the less cash, the less space for tax evaders.

I loved it when COVID came and the government started giving all these businesses owners (bars, hairdressers, etc) a subside based on the profits they declared the year before COVID and they all went mad because they were getting 600€/month (which, ironically is the amount they declared to have earned monthly the year before COVID).

[–] smeeps@lemmy.mtate.me.uk 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Plenty of cash only businesses in the UK that engage in this, although of course just because a business is cash only, doesn't mean they're a tax dodge.

IMO the two things are separate: it should be the tax office that does audits to catch this. It's not very hard to see a vape shop that makes £500 a month with two top model BMWs outside might be dodgy.

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[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I would consider paying with cash again IF $100 bills weren't so much trouble.

It's hard to get a $100 bill. ATMs just don't spit them out. Many places refuse to take them. It's just hard to carry over $100 in cash without quickly having your wallet explode in size.

Back in the day $100 was like caring $1,000 now. You could get a lot done with $20 bills... You can burn through the majority of $100 just going to dinner and I also have no desire to manage all that cash at my house or hit up an ATM every other day.

[–] smeeps@lemmy.mtate.me.uk 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Interesting, we have £50 notes in the UK but they essentially don't exist for most people. No cash machines will give you one, and shopkeepers mistrust them, although generally accept. 20s are the highest people deal with here usually.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 5 points 6 months ago

We also have 50s, they have the same problem as 100s.

There are definitely places that will take the 50s and 100s but the number of times you can get burned by it is too high for my liking. I once was on vacation and a state park (I think it was) wouldn't take anything bigger than 20s for their admission fee.

I think I only had 50s so I think I ended up having a stranger help me out.

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[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

I visited the UK back in 2022 and I was pretty baffled at how you can universally "tap to pay". We visited a pub on the coast of Dorset where they wouldn't even accept cash as a mean of payment. All in all it was nice, because it meant not having to deal with a foreign currency at all, we spent 10 days just using electronic payment, so as a tourist I think it was a good experience.

In Germany, where I live, you're basically getting nowhere without cash, it's still very difficult to eat out or buy small food items like bread or a sandwich. There's also a culture of paying cash for many things, including pricier items like a second hand car! Shop cashiers usually don't even blink if you try to pay with a 100€ bill (except if you're coming super early and they don't have change available yet). It's not unusual for me to end up drawing a quarter to half my monthly salary in cash.

I first disliked it when I moved from France, but now I think it's actually good for the society. You always have some change to tip a waiter or give to a beggar, a coin for the cart at the supermarket, get something from a vending machine... Also I live in a very quiet area so getting mugged is very unlikely, making it not so scary to carry cash around.

[–] clb92@feddit.dk 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I find it interesting that Germany is so far behind when it comes to IT and modernization. It's like you're stuck in 1990, even though you're surrounded by countries that have used chip payment cards since the early 2000s and contactless payments since the early to mid 2010s. Nobody here in Denmark has touched a fax machine in the last 15-20 years, and apparently Germans still fax things sometimes to this day??

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 6 months ago

hey don't belittle technological advancements in germany, people here at are the forefront of innovation: https://simple-fax.de/fax-ki

:'D

[–] smeeps@lemmy.mtate.me.uk 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, even the buses and vending machines and car park meters and public toilets have tap to pay. It is certainly very convenient but I think it does encourage spending more, and of course it means literally everything you do is tracked. Luckily I've found that most places still do accept cash but there are definitely a few who don't.

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[–] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Canada has universal tap to pay also, but what surprised me about the UK—at least in the London area—was how quick it was? The payment processing was near-instantaneous. In Canada, I think the machines make a phone call behind the scenes to a bank or something? There's a significant delay before it goes through.

[–] smeeps@lemmy.mtate.me.uk 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They use mobile data over here so it can be very slow in spotty areas, but most populated areas in the UK have full 4G/5G.

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[–] PrimeErective@startrek.website 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I agree, cash is fun in Germany. I think it really helps that the 1 and 2 euro coins are available and used in circulation. It was so nice going into the Späti and buying a beer with a single coin.

Change feels unnecessary in the States since the highest denomination that's widely circulated is the quarter dollar. There are dollar coins, but they are hardly ever used.

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 months ago

Haha don't get me started with US coins, I also have a fun story there: we arrived fresh off JFK Airport in NYC and headed to our rental apartment in Bedford-Stuyvesant Brooklyn. It was pretty far from the a subway station so we got a connecting bus to get us closer.

The next day, we thought of taking the same bus line to head to Manhattan, except our party of four ended up being expected to pay 4x $2.75 in a machine inside the bus... in coins. That's 44 quarters. Yup, don't have that on day 2 of my stay. So we walked 6 blocks.

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[–] Vincentvd@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago

I actually started with it this week. It is partially due to privacy but also because I lost a sense for value. It is really easy to press a button online and pay say 20 euro. Not that I am irresponsible with money but the numbers on your bank account feel so meaningless.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] smeeps@lemmy.mtate.me.uk 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I'm interested in this, I did buy a small amount but struggling to spend it anywhere? Even when I bought a Trezor hardware wallet I had to use LTC... I know I can pay for Mullvad with it when my subscription expires in two years lol

I also can't find any no-KYC place to buy it now LocalMonero is closed.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Xmrbazaar.com is a place to request a product/service or sell a product/service for monero. Here is my store for example. https://xmrbazaar.com/user/shortwavesurfer2009/ and https://haveno-reto.com is where to buy/sell since LM is gone. Please note you need at least 0.11xmr to use it though as a security deposit you get back after a successful trade

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[–] debacle@framapiaf.org 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

@shortwavesurfer @smeeps

The problem is, that none of the grocery stores or street markets or supermarkets in my area accept Monero 🤷

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 months ago (10 children)

While it is most definitely true that they do not accept it directly, they very likely do accept it with gift cards, which you can purchase with Monero. That is how I have been buying my groceries for the past year and a half.

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[–] communism@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I also want to pay more in cash to reward businesses for still allowing you to pay in cash as I'm noticing more are going cashless. I'm occasionally reliant on cash so I don't want to end up stranded on those occasions where I can only pay cash, so definitely want to ensure the option remains open. The privacy is a benefit too of course.

I think at the moment I mostly buy "important" stuff in cash and everyday stuff with card. Important like a new computer or something, because I'd plan to have that computer for a while and don't want it easily traced to me. Everyday stuff like food because, while I completely understand not wanting the state/banks/etc to know anything about you, I personally don't care too much if the state knows what I eat. Would be nice to eventually become one of those people with no footprint at all though.

[–] smeeps@lemmy.mtate.me.uk 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Anyone in a 14 eyes country is essentially impossible to achieve zero footprint, but assuming they're not actively looking into your network packets or searching for you on CCTV its feasible to have a relatively low footprint. I'm essentially trying to eliminate as far as practical, any data points I'm just giving away for free for no reason, especially to corporations and advertisers.

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

Afraid they almost definitely are actively monitoring all my above-ground activities lol, I'm in a country getting quite a bit of international flak for cracking down on political dissidents. Won't say any more than that, tbh that doesn't narrow down my location much with the current state of things anyway. But yeah I agree, I want to minimise the amount of data accessible about me.

[–] xilliah 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My bank recently got rid of their own contactless payment app and now I am forced to use Google pay. You have to accept Google's privacy terms and they'll have access to all your transactions. No thanks.

Beyond that I quite like using tech. Still waiting for bitcoin to take off after more than a decade. For budgeting you can use programs and it'll notify you real time on your expenditures.

[–] smeeps@lemmy.mtate.me.uk 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This decision was helped by moving to GrapheneOS and losing Google Pay, definitely. (And Degoogling for other reasons at the same time). If I have to carry a card I may as well carry cash, a few folded notes are the same footprint as a card and as I mentioned, I try not to break notes if I don't have to, so I'm not carrying change often.

[–] xilliah 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I've lived in Germany and cards are just not really a thing there. The only real thing I hated about it was that everyone was somehow incapable of just prepping their cash, so I've wasted countless hours waiting in line at banks.

The other thing I hated was during corona. I worked in a store and we had to handle all that cash 🤢

Other than that, the coins are quite annoying. They're bulky and heavy. My trick was to just empty them out every time I came home into a bowl. Then once a year or so I'd get it turned into paper money.

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[–] tea@lemmy.today 6 points 6 months ago

In the US, I've started paying in cash to combat the aggressive tip buttons (your options are: 20%, 30%, 40%, or Other). With cash, I feel free to provide a reasonable tip for whatever service and they see it and appear appreciative, even if it's not the 20% the little tip screen attempts to strong arm you into.

[–] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I rarely use cash. Nearly everything I spend is on supermarket and they know exactly what I buy because we're forced to use their "loyalty" programs anyway.

Then traveling: dealing with other currencies, coming home with unspendable money. And there's no interest on cash lying around.

But I hate the tendency for places to not accept cash at all, there should still be a choice.

One bonus is that I keep finding money on the streets in countries that love cash.

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[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 4 points 6 months ago

I love the occasional "thanks for not requiring change!" that comes from it.

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I regularly consider doing this. Obviously it is great from a privacy perspective. But I hate dealing with cash, especially change. With cards I just have one thing in my wallet and it just works forever. My bank account is automatically charged at the end of the month. With cash I need to keep refilling my wallet and carry around annoying change.

I would love to have something digital but also private (like Monero). But so far I have been picking convenience over privacy.

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