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Admin collaboration and liberal coup (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 3 months ago by belligerentkitten@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/libertyhub@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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kittenzrulz claims that the takeover of this community was entirely over links getting burned out. this post would appear to contradict that.

furthermore, they completely disregarded my points in the questions i asked, particularly around the ideological motive around the changes they made when giving feedback, and failed to respond when i pushed them on the point, despite posting elsewhere.

i would argue that both the mod of this community, and the admin of the instance, are hostile to anarchist and leftist politics, and cannot be trusted. recommend finding a new instance.

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[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

The post you linked to by MindTraveller is an active misrepresentation of events.

Traveller and I are not "in agreement" about much of anything. Their politics are very far removed from mine

This is the text of the message I sent advising that I was shutting the group down.

After consideration, I’ve decided that non voters does not really fit the stated goals of blahaj zone. Your motives for creating it seem based on a personal vendetta, and whilst your views are genuine, nothing constructive comes from the community. All it does is create division, because its sole purpose is to target others, without really focusing on any progressive ideas or discussion of its own.

At the moment, it’s causing more harm than good to the overall community.

I’ll leave the community open, so that if you choose to set the community up on another instance, you will have the opportunity to direct them to the new location.

Given the post which you linked, (which I had not seen until now) I will be removing Traveller and the new community, because once more, the goal appears to be to create division

My goal of blahaj zone is not political. The goal is to allow trans people to have a space where they can exist on their own terms, without having to pretend to be someone they're not. My own political views are closer to Links/LibertyHub than nonvoters or its ilk. Yet as long as there is no bigotry or gatekeeping, then trans people with politics at odds with my own are welcome. It's why we have an "armed queers" community, despite my own strong distaste for gun culture.

Communities/posters that exist primary to create division, without adding anything positive back, have no place here.

[–] belligerentkitten@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

well thank you for clarifying and doing this much, i guess. but frankly this hasn’t been a safe place, none of this situation has been okay and i’m extremely not comfortable with grail’s behaviour as well. i’ve moved to hexbear despite my political differences with them and they’re honestly creating a far safer and more welcoming space for me as an anarchist and trans person. like seriously sort this place out if you want it to be safe for trans people. it currently is not.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

like seriously sort this place out if you want it to be safe for trans people. it currently is not.

Hexbear is only safe for trans folks whose politics don't clash too strongly with theirs. They have a whole community dedicated to dunking on folk who disagree with them, and that includes trans folk. If you step too far from what they deem acceptable, harassing and dogpiling is seen as an acceptable response.

Many of the trans folks on blahaj zone, despite being left aligned, would be deemed to be "libs" by Hexbear, and actively harassed until they left.

If you think that it's ok that the majority of folk on this instance (well, the majority of trans folk anywhere to be honest) are valid targets for harassment, I don't know what to tell you other than we have very different ideas of what trans safety looks like.

[–] Ambii@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I've seen you repeat this three times now and I don't understand why you feel the need to exaggerate so heavily.

You can look the posts up, they're in the first ten pages of the top year posts (i.e. since hexbear started federation with other instances). Or don't, and you can continue scaring people away from from a place that aggressively moderates to keep its trans users away from bad actors at the first sign of trouble.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To the best of my knowledge, the dunk tank is still there, which is a community centered around harassment of "libs". Unless the admins have stepped in to remove that community, then my comment still stands.

[–] Ambii@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Your original comment does not stand but okay.

I just hope next time a DRONERIGHTS or midtraveler comes along you'll act quicker

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 months ago

Can hope but it's doubtful at this point

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Those statements are misleading. hexbears routinely break and bend their own dunk tank rules when they feel salty enough.

[–] Ambii@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

You can look it up bud i don't really give a shit what the guy who popularized the term 'brigading' thinks.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't have to look it up. I've experienced it multiple times. Also, you think I popularized "brigading"?!

[–] Ambii@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Disengage.

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[–] Ranger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago

Thank you for allowing armedqweers to exist here Ada.

[–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago

You're the best Ada thanks for everything!

[–] cowboycrustation@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 months ago

I don't know the current mod of this community well enough to speak on that but I can most certainly tell you that Ada (the instance admin) is not actively trying to be hostile to anarchist and leftist politics.

[–] Ranger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

It is not my experience that the admins are hostile to anarchist, Ada has been supportive of my efforts related to the !anarchism@lemmy.blahaj.zone community I started.

[–] belligerentkitten@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

i hope that continues to be the case. but i have absolutely no faith in this instance anymore i'm afraid.

[–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago

Yea honestly I've never seen Ada handle any situation in a way that I find distasteful. From what I can tell they definitely lean anarchist and have explicitly stated that they support anarchist communities on this instance.

This isn't an anarchist instance though. They aren't going to ban people or whatever for having opinions they don't agree with.

I think the situation with MindTraveller could have been handled better, but there's no easy way to decide when and how to censor people like that.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 months ago

Thanks for linking another anarchist comm for me to subscribe to <3

[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Might have a new queer leftist community soon, presumably on db0. I've just gotten back from a trip but I've been in touch with someone interested in it, I'll drop a post if there's any news.

I'd also echo some of the other sentiments, I don't think the instance mods are problematic especially Ada who has been supportive as far as I've seen, but kittenzrulz clearly should never have been given control over the community.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My plan was never to control this community, LOC leaving and the other mod being inactive forced my hand. However, as every day passes it becomes clearer to me that I need to choose a new head mod.

[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I believe you and I don't have an issue with you personally, but given the way you handled becoming head mod (ignoring suggestions, feedback and pleas to not change things so suddenly with no explanation) I can't see this community surviving without addressing things, which I believe you are fully capable of.

I don't think you necessarily need to step down as head mod, that's up to you, however I think the next steps should be community driven. It would be a big move that would inspire a lot of confidence if you address transparency issues (explain how decisions will be made and commit to explaining them fully beforehand, for example) and allow mods to be chosen by the community, though given the nature of Lemmy I'm not sure that there is a good way to do this. I see Grail has put Their hand up to be a moderator in that thread, if you're considering accepting I think you necessarily need to engage the community first. It will look like someone bullied LOC.wav off of lemmy and took over their space, and personally from having read a few of Their medium articles I won't be at all comfortable in this space with them on the mod team, but again should be a community decision imho.

Also I'll just add that if you're feeling overwhelmed and need help or just someone to chat to in general, please reach out I'm happy to help if I can.

[–] RiikkaTheIcePrincess@pawb.social 6 points 3 months ago

someone bullied LOC.wav off of lemmy and took over their space

That's exactly what happened, though. That lot have had a pretty smooth op so far and I don't see any major obstacles to them getting whatever they want around here. Well, other than Grail failing to get me tossed out on the street with lies. Dunno why I got targeted; nobody gives a shit about me in particular. I wonder if anyone else has. Could be what took down LOC.wav, maybe.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago

No, I was a fool for thinking I could manage this community. I'm currently dealing with multiple mental health problems, adding this community to my list of problems was a mistake.

[–] TheCoolerMia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 months ago

...huh? Im srry but this post just makes no sense at all?

in the first paragraph u say that the linked post contradicts that LOC left for being burnt out but that post doesn't mention anything relevant to that

and on the last paragraph you say the mods of this community and the admins of this instance r hostile to anarchism and leftist politics which... is the opposite of what has always been the case?

[–] Ambii@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Every single person I've interacted with trying to preach the wonders of soulism has been controlling and belligerent towards other leftists and trans people.

Starting with DRONERIGHTS/PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES and ending (hopefully) with Mindgoblin and Grail.

I engaged with grail in good faith at first over soulism but at this point I'm wholly convinced that the philosophy where one can simply decide that someone else isn't human probably isn't the best because every single person slinging it has left me with a horrible experience.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I engaged with grail in good faith at first over soulism but at this point I'm wholly convinced that the philosophy where one can simply decide that someone else isn't human probably isn't the best because every single person slinging it has left me with a horrible experience.

Doing a quick skim through claimed tenants, it does indeed appear that way. If I'm reading it correctly, the philosophy claims that objective reality is an unjust hierarchy... following that absurd line further, it means that everything is subjective and mutable at the whim of a given individual (is it anyone or just those who are more anti-realist than others?). So, social contract then also becomes mutable at an individual's whim, etc. Seems like it rhymes heavily with right-wing "post-truth communities".

[–] Ranger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago

It's an "off compass" meme ideology.

[–] Fluentem@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

It's really funny to me how a group that claims to believe reality is entirely subjective and that people should have the freedom to shape it as they choose are really insistent that everyone follow their exact system of beliefs.

[–] Ambii@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

I'm very glad link seems to be doing alright though if his tumblr is anything to go off of.

Even if he never sees this, I wish him the very best.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for directing people to the post advertising !soulism@lemmy.blahaj.zone! c/soulism is going to be an explicitly far-leftist place. We won't tolerate any form of political apathy or centrism, or capitalist apologia, both of which include liberalism, so I'm sure it will be a great place for any regulars here to check out. We hope to cooperate with the leadership of Liberty Hub and end all the fighting that's been going on for the past several weeks. Hopefully, this is the end of leftist infighting on Blahaj.

[–] Ambii@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The end of leftist infighting would come if you simply stopped posting I think

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 months ago

If only stopping that was their goal