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Is there something similar to privacy.com in Europe so I don’t have to enter my credit card information everywhere? Or another way to buy stuff online privately on many different stores and websites?

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[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You could buy more from places that support Bitcoin lightning or Monero, which gives you a lot more privacy. You can buy gift cards online with those currencies and then spend those gift cards at major online retailers.

[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

not thats its private, but the virtual cards from wise are nice. can be frozen and sometimes you can change the billing addeess and "save" taxes.

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 4 points 4 months ago

I believe it is not possible to have it due to EU regulations, or at least there aren't any proper ones right now. You can read some discussions about this on Privacy Guides's discourse, like this one for example: https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/card-masking-tool/15342

I think the TLDR is: use your own bank's card, as you will always end up with a card which is tied to your identity, so better give that info to as few bank institutions as possible, you gain no advantage by signing up with someone new. On the other hand, if you need to convert and the fees are atrocious, then you could look into Revolut and others like that, but that doesn't really help your privacy, no matter how many virtual cards you make, since they're all in your name anyways

[–] tmpod@lemmy.pt 4 points 4 months ago

I'm not familiar with any service that works at the international level, but over in Portugal, the biggest ATM network, Multibanco, has had a service called MB NET (now integrated with the newer MB WAY app), which allows you to create temporary cards with 3 different behaviours: one-time, monthly, multiple uses. The first one always has 1 month of validity, while the others only expire after a year, and you can define a maximum capacity.

It works perfectly well in foreign online services, but you have to have a card from one of the associated banks (presumably from their Portuguese branch?).

[–] dtc@lemmy.pt 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not really the same thing, but Revolut has disposable virtual cards that you can use (but it's a full-fledged bank).

Some apps like MBWay in Portugal also allow you to create these virtual cards, but it requires a Portuguese bank account.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Most online places are now aware of Revolut's disposable CC numbers and reject them. They haven't worked for at least a year now. They're basically useless.

Edit: I should clarify: all CC payments nowadays use tokenization. The website doesn't get the CC details, they get a token issued by your bank. The token can be one-time use, or recurrent. Naturally, for one-time cards Revolut issues one-time tokens. The problem is that many websites have caught up to it and require indefinitely-valid, recurrent tokens for any payment. I don't think this is something that Revolut can solve on their side.

[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 2 points 4 months ago

What a bummer, I used the disposable CCs with revolution a decade ago and was thinking of going back to it...no point if they're not usable anymore.though.

[–] dtc@lemmy.pt 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

While the disposable cards might not always work, you can always create a regular virtual card and delete/freeze it afterwards. Not sure if there are any limits tho

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago

You can also delete the payment token that was issued to that website.

My bank lists the currently valid recurrent tokens explicitly next to each card, and lets me revoke them individually (but I can also re-add a card to the merchant if I want to).

In the Revolut app it's a bit wierder, you have to go to a card, tap on a past payment, and then you get a "block future payments" button that prevents that merchant from ever using that card, but there's also a "subscription payment" toggle that only revokes the recurrent token for that particular payment.

The "block future payments" feature is severely limited on the free Revolut accounts, you can only do 3 blocks per month and can only have 5 total overall active. So you probably want to turn off the subscription toggle instead.

[–] rinze@infosec.pub 1 points 4 months ago

In Spain at least I have two small alternatives to this:

  • Paypal (I don't like it too much, but it works fine).
  • A prepaid credit card offered through my bank. Good for sites that don't look too trustworthy but I need to buy from. I just activate it, load it with whatever amount I need, I make the transaction, then disable it again. Even if it gets leaked no one can take any money out.

For everything else I have a virtual credit card number that's not dynamic, but at least it's something I use exclusively for online stuff.