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Conservatives win longtime Liberal stronghold Toronto-St. Paul's in shock byelection result (www.cbc.ca)
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[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 40 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well that is going to be bad for everyone. Looks like we're headed back to science denial, tax credits for the rich, program cancellations for the poor, a weak fed that ignores the marginalized, bitcoin for some reason, deregulation, attacks on democracy, and just a general attitude of government by bumper sticker skeleton middle finger.

I remember when PP was in government, they weren't good days, but I guess Trudeau has been in for so long that the list of true and imagined grievances is going to sink him and the rest of us with him.

[–] kbin_space_program@kbin.run 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Don't forget increased intentionally fucking over BC.

β€’ Harper and PPs complete capitulation on the softwood lumber agreement to the US, multiple times decimated rural BC.

β€’ They moved harbour control for the 2nd busiest port on the west coast of the Americas, out of Vancouver and have them remotely operating out of Comox.

β€’ They illegally forced the TMX expansion pipeline through, and overrode concerns of the city of Hope that the new line runs over their watershed and they ignored native issues with the pipeline. Note that it doesn't run over Nestles well. They moved the line for fucking Nestle, not a city of people though.

β€’ They shut down the coast guard facility for the Vancouver harbor and forced them to operate out of Richmond. So in the recent issue of a boat running into a seaplane, where the coast guard took under 10 minutes to respond, if Trudeau had not repurchased and opened the facility, their response time would have been in the range of 40 minutes to an hour.

Not to mention a return to "balancing" the budget by selling off assets to developer friends and scandals like taking the G8 security budget and using it for graft and bribery in your own ridings.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

BC doesn't exist, as far as the Cons are concerned. Western Canada is Alberta (and sometimes Saskatchewan), and Eastern Canada is Ontario.

[–] dankm@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No, Saskatchewan also doesn't exist. We get very little from the feds, for two reasons:

  1. We never vote Liberal, so they do little to earn our vote.
  2. We always seem to vote Conservative, so they do little to earn our vote.

When good things happen it's because of a unicorn like Ralph Goodale. The NDP could have a fighting chance for a few seats here, but they need to actually campaign and realise that they're #2 in nearly every riding in the province.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There was a time when Saskatchewan was soley led by the CCF/NDP for 20 years straight (beginning with the father of universal health care, Tommy Douglas, in '44), then 8 yrs of PCs, then Blakeney (NDP) for another 9 years.

[–] dankm@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

Yup, all true, but even then Saskatchewan largely voted PC federally. Very strange political mix.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 months ago

Don't forget Harper selling the Wheat Board to Bunge Limited and the Saudi Agricultural and Livestock Investment Company, so profits were privatized instead of being shared by all the farmers.

[–] northmaple1984@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Perhaps the NDP shouldn't have hitched their horse to the Liberal bandwagon. The fact that they're showing so poorly is just as mind boggling as the Liberals losing this seat.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 27 points 5 months ago

I'm happy the NDP has worked with the LPC over this last parliament. Together they've made a number of significant policy changes that I am quite happy with.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The orange steering the reds hand over fist has given us things you will never realize if you don't actually look at things ever.

[–] northmaple1984@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

Like what? Half baked drug and dental plans that barely anyone is eligible is for?

[–] Aloomineum 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately it seems obvious that PP and his party will win with a majority government. And as an autistic LGBTQ person who already experiences real hate from people in my small town, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared.

[–] potate@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As a middle-aged, cis, hetero, mostly neuro-typical guy living in Calgary - I see you, I value you, and I care about you. I can't pretend to understand what your life is like - but you deserve every bit as much happiness and support as anyone else.

[–] Aloomineum 13 points 5 months ago

Thank you, I appreciate comments like this so much. I hope you have a wonderful day.

[–] potate@lemmy.ca 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My hope is that this will give the Liberal party the courage to look for new leadership. Trudeau was great when he started, but a decade in the spotlight has worn him down and tainted his brand (fairly or unfairly).

The Liberals under Trudeau are trying to get elected on a platform of 'more of the same' when a lot of Canadians are unhappy. A new leader, with a new vision and a solid platform could have a fighting chance against PP. But under Trudeau the party feels like they've given up.

[–] voluble@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

One of the first things Trudeau did as Prime Minister was break the top-line platform promise that got him elected - he promised Canadians that the 2015 federal election would be the last one under the first past the post system. So I'd say from the standpoint of democracy, he had an absolutely horrible start.

Of course he went on to reap the benefits of the imbalanced first past the post system for two subsequent federal elections, one of which he called unnecessarily during the pandemic in order to consolidate power for his party.

I think him and his party have been vaporware since day one.

[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yep. I will never vote for him again for this reason. I used to vote strategically based on my current riding, but I’m just straight NDP now.

This was a concrete and clear promise, and he 100% broke it and didn’t even try. The Liberal candidate would have basically always been my 2nd choice in a ranked system.

Now they get nothing. I hope it was worth it.

[–] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

Yup, haven't voted liberal since he bathed in the applause of thousands, then flipped us all the bird when he got into office.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 months ago

RoC: votes conservatives.

QC: BLOC MAJORITAIRE

See you at the next sovereignty debate.

[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Given the location of this voting district which straddles some very nice neighbourhoods (and some middle-class ones), I'm not surprised this turned conservative.

[–] northmaple1984@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

... you've got to be the only person then. Even the CPC is surprised they won.

Also, your excuse makes no sense. What's your reasoning for the previous Liberal massive success in thus riding? They've regularly been getting ~50% or more of the vote and even won by a healthy margin in 2011 when the party was soundly defeated from coast-to-coast... Do you think all the rich people moved in within the last couple of years?

[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hello? The average income of this district is twice that of the province, and of the city. Half the residents live in the wealthy neighbourhoods in the district. This is our 1%. Inflation doesn't impact them. Higher capital gains tax does. The other half are in apartment buildings along yonge in mid-town. Fashionable and desirable area. The north boundary of district is called "young and eligible". Rising cost of homes impact their home ownership aspirations. Some of these apartment dwellers have swung to cons. Libs have fucked up big time.

[–] northmaple1984@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

So you're suggesting that Trudeau Liberal policies were somehow preferred in this area by massive margin in 2015, 2019 and 2021 but aren't now, with the only real policy change that negatively affects these people is capital gains?

Quite honestly, I'll be surprised if this riding remains CPC during the next federal election. My gut instinct is that there's probably a small contingent of ABC voters who had planned on staying home during the next election but now that reality has hit they'll come out. And this margin was so narrow it'll flip here.

[–] Smk@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

BLOC MAJORITAIRE

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Conservative candidate Don Stewart has won the longtime federal Liberal stronghold of Toronto-St. Paul's, a stunning result that raises questions about Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's future.

The Liberals' poor showing in a stronghold like this could prompt some soul-searching for Trudeau, who has seen his popularity plummet as inflation, the cost of living crisis, high home prices and surging immigration levels drive voter discontent.

David Coletto, chair and CEO of Abacus Data, said he believesΒ the Liberals needΒ to win by 10 points or more to give Trudeau a credible path forward.

Speaking to CBC News from Stewart's election night party before any results were released, Byrne said Toronto-St. Paul's "will probably stay on the Liberal side of things."

The NDP candidate, Amrit Parhar, struggled to make much of a mark with about 11 per cent of the vote in Toronto-St. Paul's β€” a worse performance than what the party achieved in the last general election.

The agency said it was bogged down because there were dozens of candidates on the unwieldy, nearly metre-long ballot β€” some of whom are proportional-representation activists running as a protest to the country's first-past-the-post voting system.

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