The French popular front or the popular front of France?
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I thought we were the french people's popular front ?
They mix up the adjectives so it could only be the french front popular
Or the front popular of France a
I'm not sure about the semantics but I think both can be used interchangeably ?
It's a Monty Python reference.
I haven't looked into the details but it's such good news. Macron's plan seems foiled. It took such a menace to unite the left ! though I'd be very surprised LO or the PCF joined as well...
The PCF is in IIRC
That's good news
How tf is pro Russian extremists on either side potentially taking over France good news?
Who ? What ?
Of course, the more radical La France Insoumise (LFI) had to amend its discourse that painted Russia as a "more reliable partner than the United States," as the party's leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon said in 2020. After more than a year of war, they now advocate exploring negotiated paths out of the conflict. "The war in Ukraine must end. That's what we have to work on. It is a matter of diplomacy rather than artillery fire," wrote Mélenchon in December 2022.
The statement "Russia is a more reliable partner than the United States" was made well before the aggression, I think it's safe to say it doesn't hold today.
The other statement by JLM is "It is a matter of diplomacy rather than artillery fire" - I don't see how this is pro-russian.
The RN though, is literally funded by Russia. So if you want them beat (and you do), this unity is necessary.
LFI are hardly extremists. They're not revolutionaries, they're not communists, they're just socialists.
The statement "Russia is a more reliable partner than the United States" was made well before the aggression, I think it's safe to say it doesn't hold today.
Do you have a more recent statement that goes the other way?
The other statement by JLM is "It is a matter of diplomacy rather than artillery fire" - I don't see how this is pro-russian.
Here in Germany those tyep of people say "Frieden schaffen ohne Waffen!", meaning making peace without weapons. It's a pro Russia narrative that undermines Ukraine's sovereignty and its right to defend itself. The conditions for making peace are already known; Russia has to stop its aggressions and return to its internationally recognized borders. This isn't even debatable, but those people who scream for diplomacy over sending weapons think it is.
LFI are hardly extremists. They're not revolutionaries, they're not communists, they're just socialists.
With pro Russia & anti EU stances I would very much categorize them as dangerous extremists. Especially with how important France is to the EU.
No, I don't have a more recent statement. Looks like I have some reading to do. LFI's stance on Europe has always been too vague for comfort to me, perhaps it's time to settle this.
It's not your job to go look for those statements either, they can search for more information themselves and report back with their findings
Absolutely, I meant some reading on the LFI's positioning about Europe, specifically. And perhaps JLM's own positioning within that, since he's not always in complete unison with the rest of the party. Wrt the statement from 2020, I consider it reasonable to say it doesn't apply today.
I literally already did report back with what I found. You're just making excuses at this point to push your narrative.
Why be so antagonizing, this is a discussion
To my knowledge, while LFI (but in particular Jean Luc Melanchon, who REALLY isn't even the cards to be PM) is certainly anti EU and made ambiguous statements on Russia as well as other countries, these views haven't passed on to the Popular Front. They have been perfectly clear in their program that they in support of Ukraine over Russia, and that they would continue (and increase) sending weapons it's way. This was the red line of the socialists, who are right now the biggest party alongside LFI, and supported by a majority of the rest of the aliance (esp the Greens).
The Popular Front is Pro-Ukraine, and against Russia. Diplo wise, on the question of the EU, they have said they want to get rid of the CETA (which has been a demand of the Left for quite some time, with good reason), and that they are lukewarm on the EU electricity market (which was really disadventagous to France because our energy prod is cheap, but prices are driven up for no reason in an high-inflation context), but they are otherwise pro-EU (remeber! The Soc-dems and the greens are a big chunk of the alliance!)
It's unfortunate foreign media (but our medias do it too) present the Popular Front as a LFI++ that is 'just as bad as far right' when it's a moderate left alliance against fascism.
who REALLY isn't even the cards to be PM
Why would they name him then? Is there a site that lists the major bullet points of their stances?
The Popular Front didn't 'name' him (unless you mean the article). In fact, parties won't 'get' to name anyone, that's the prsident who will pick the PM. However, he has to pick a PM whom a majority of the National Assembly (being elected here) will support, lest it gets 'censored' (destitued) by the Parliement.
JLM is the leader of LFI (even if, particularly in the creation of the Popular Front, his detractors are slowly getting the better of him), and he was LFI's candidate for the 2022 Presidential Election. What the article mentions is that a few days ago, he mentioned on TV that he feels 'capable' of endorsing the role of PM. That does NOT mean the rest of the alliance will suport him (in fact, there's a 0% chance the socialists will).
The people who are more likely to be named as PM (if the Popular Front wins a majority of the Assembly), are either François Ruffin (also LFI, but highly popular, is the one who launched the movement for this Popular Front, and a detractor of Melanchon's), or somebody more moderate without much political clout used to serve as the one on the ejectable seat when Macron's term is over (and said PM is likely to have become unpopular by then).
For their program, I unfortunately wasn't able to find a translation nor a summary in english (tbf, it was published just this friday).
Le Monde has a summary (in french) which you can translate with your favorite translator app if you want.
So we'll potentially either see a far right or a far left pro Russian leadership? That's really bad for France, Ukraine and the EU.
"Pro russian far left" is the rhetoric used by the Macron government, the parties of this union have consistently condemned the Russian invasion, the program they revealed mentions :
Defend Ukraine and peace on the European continent to thwart Vladimir Putin’s war of aggression, and for him to answer for his crimes before international justice: to defend unwaveringly the sovereignty and freedom of the Ukrainian people as well as the integrity of its borders, by delivering necessary weapons, cancelling its foreign debt, seizing the assets of the oligarchs who contribute to the Russian war effort within the framework permitted by international law, sending peacekeepers to secure nuclear power plants, in an international context of tensions and war on the European continent and working towards the return of peace
Far left in France has a specific definition that seems to be blatantly disregarded by french politicians : those who want to take power via a revolution are far left, this union is playing the game of gaining power through the popular vote
I'm citing one of the suggested presidential candidates, Melenchon, not Macron...
Of course, the more radical La France Insoumise (LFI) had to amend its discourse that painted Russia as a "more reliable partner than the United States," as the party's leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon said in 2020. After more than a year of war, they now advocate exploring negotiated paths out of the conflict. "The war in Ukraine must end. That's what we have to work on. It is a matter of diplomacy rather than artillery fire," wrote Mélenchon in December 2022.