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[–] cobra89 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Id love to see the math on the amount of iron in a person's blood, because I find it HIGHLY questionable that there's enough iron in only 300 people to make a full iron sword. I'm too lazy to do it myself though.

[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] GoodbyeBlueMonday@startrek.website 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're both in luck! Someone else linked to an article that breaks down how it could work in reality: https://startrek.website/comment/9430643

[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

All three of you are in luck! Someone made a video attempting to actually forge a sword this way!: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

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Gotta hide it better than that chief

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What an awful video! You should be ashamed! I should be ashamed just for watching it!

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 5 months ago

It's a great video. My friends and I have watched it many times

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Listen. If they used surplus blood to do this (blood that was expired) and then held a raffle at the end of each year where all blood donors were entered to win a knife or sword made from the expired human blood iron, I bet they'd see blood donations skyrocket.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 13 points 5 months ago

Somebody call NileRed asap

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

I want The Red Cross to hire you for marketing asap so this can actually happen.

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 22 points 5 months ago (5 children)

These are the required elements for making steel:

  • Iron
  • Carbon
  • Manganese
  • Chromium
  • Phosphorus
  • Sulphur
  • Nickel
  • Molybdenum
  • Titanium
  • Copper
  • Boron

Source: https://www.cliftonsteel.com/education/11elementsfoundinsteel

So, iron is only step 1. Humans are carbon based lifeforms, so I'm guessing that carbon is also sorted, that's step 2.

There's plenty of other elements in the human body, like phosphorus and sulphur, but I'm guessing that it's going to take more than 300 adults.

Source: https://sciencenotes.org/elements-in-the-human-body-and-what-they-do/

Source: https://sciencenotes.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/PeriodicTableHumanBody.png

[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)
  1. Your link says these are elements commonly found in steel, not that they are all required. In fact it says of phosphorus and sulphur that they are generally undesirable.
  2. We don't need to make a steel sword, an iron sword could do.

Either way you would definitely need carbon, but as you say that's pretty easy. I don't think any of the other elements are absolutely required.

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[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago

Steel requires only iron and up to about 2% carbon

Rest are minor alloying elements used mainly in modern steel alloys to improve the steel beyond what just carbon steel could do like for example stainless steels

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Those are all of them, but that's for a lot of different types of steels. You don't have to have all of those metals to make steel. You really just need iron and a tiny bit of carbon. A few of your ingredients help with purity, and the rest are additives for different steel properties you may want. Like a touch of nickel for stainless steel.

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 1 points 5 months ago

I searched for ingredients for making steel. I'm obviously not a metallurgist, nor do I pretend to be one on the internet :)

The meme triggered my interest into discovering just what might be involved.

Clearly I've just scratched the surface ..

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

You only need iron and carbon the rest is already alloyed steel. You can definitely make a good blade out of only iron and carbon, it won't be stainless, it might be difficult to harden just right, but it will be flexible and hold a keen edge if forged right. The smiths of ole dealt with nastier steels containing all kinds of things making it worse, not better (such as excessive amounts of sulphur and phosphorus) so I'd say they'd manage.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago

ok, but humans also regenerate blood, very slowly but it does happen. So theoretically, you could contract your family members to draw blood to be used to make a longsword out of your family's bloodline. And have it become an heirloom.

[–] Megaman_EXE 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I was curious how long it would take to make a sword out of your own blood. If my math was correct(it probably isn't lol) the human body contains around 4.7 to 5.5 liters. And then you can apparently donate like 470 millileters every 8 weeks.

So take 4.7(assuming the smallest people) X 300 = 1410 L total blood

1410(total needed) / 0.47(donation amount) = 3000 donations X 8 weeks = 24,000 / 52 = 461.54 years

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 9 points 5 months ago

New mythology curse just dropped.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

And then you can apparently donate like 470 millileters every 8 weeks.

Safely. You could probably speed it up a bit if you have a higher risk tolerance.

[–] Megaman_EXE 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

True! I would assume a larger person would be able to give up more at once, too.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A larger person might want a larger sword, though!

[–] Megaman_EXE 3 points 5 months ago

That's a good point. You couldn't have someone like Shaq with a 3 foot sword. It would look too tiny! Gotta size it proportionally.

[–] 01101000_01101001@mander.xyz 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or if your enemy has been thoroughly dispatched

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 4 points 5 months ago

This estimate was for your own blood, not your enemy's, so probably best not to thoroughly dispatch yourself.

[–] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Listen there's definitely enough carbon in the body to boost that into a steel sword.

If we can make diamonds out of corpses, we can make steel.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hold up... Wouldn't a diamond sword be better than a steel one?

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

Too brittle, I think.

For ceremony, though, perfect!

[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 4 points 5 months ago

You know there’s a writer reading this meme somewhere: here; where ever it came from; where ever it will be reposted; and adding it to the story they are working on. Wonder where we’ll come across it first?

[–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago