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[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 130 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

What the hell?!?!?! This is a server OS! It needs to be as light as possible and for the sake of server stability and security, admins carefully choose the installed apps. Microsoft can't just install new applications on a whim.

This is fuged up.

[–] ReversalHatchery 14 points 7 months ago

Oh they can, as we see

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 74 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 58 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

No enterprise is going to want to deal with that and realistically they’re the only ones with the pockets to fight that battle.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 47 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If introducing Copilot to server degrades service enough to trigger an SLA downstream, you can absolutely bet lawyers will get involved.

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 7 months ago

Or if CoPilot starts exfiltrating data to Microsoft so their server farms can ‘analyze’ it.

I’m not heavily involved in the space, but I’m given to understand that MS isn’t very clear about what happens to your data or how it gets used or shared.

Perhaps Microsoft will be smart enough not to allow the general public to query trade secrets or government data that’s been pulled via unwanted copilot integration.
But maybe the ongoing Russian hack of Microsoft will make it irrelevant, because the servers can be accessed directly.
Or perhaps at some distant time, Microsoft will roll out features or technologies developed using an internal version of CoPilot that has access to all data - including proprietary information from competitors.

And that’s not even counting what ISP’s will do if they find a way to analyze copilot traffic, or what state actors will do if they can set up MitM attacks for Copilot.

Honestly, I sort of fear the repercussions, but I look forward to the lawsuits.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 50 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That is fucked.

I'm already starting to transition to full Linux on my devices with the arrival of Windows 11 and Windows 10 reaching end of life in October next year. I never thought I'd see the day of this happening.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft has been telegraphing these moves for years now tbh.

[–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That doesn't make it right.

And not everyone can dump Windows for Linux. We run a lot of software that requires Windows. Changing is impractical if not impossible.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

ITS THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP! 🥂

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 36 points 7 months ago

ok sure, most servers are already running linux for a good reason.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Install Linux on your desktops. If you have windows servers then what the hell are you doing anyway? Dump Microsoft

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

Yes, even M$ use Linux in it's servers

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The install size is just 8KB. Could it just be a link to open Edge?

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 12 points 7 months ago

The icon itself is probably more than 8kb. It's either incorrect or literally just a desktop URL shortcut

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[–] notnotmike@programming.dev 24 points 7 months ago (14 children)

In the spirit of these kinds of changes, I'd love to hear some honest Linux distribution recommendations. I'm leaning towards Ubuntu because it is the most widely advertised and UX focused from my perspective. But I've also heard good things about Arch. Any others I should be considering?

I'll probably not go full Linux any time soon - I want at least one Windows OS to play games on - so whatever option it should be dual-boot friendly.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 45 points 7 months ago (5 children)

You’ve heard good things about arch solely because you’re on Lemmy. Using arch means you’ll be dedicating about 50% of your working time towards tinkering and making it fucking work, which is fun don’t get me wrong- unless you have actual work to do.

Ubuntu is solid but a little sluggish, I’m personally an advocate for Mint as far as something you can drop a windows users in and they’ll generally figure it out.

[–] notnotmike@programming.dev 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Seems like the general consensus in this section is Mint, so I'll give that a look over for sure

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[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Your opinion about Arch is outdated at best. I run Arch, and I don't think I needed to do any tinkering in the last few months. For first time Arch users, I'll recommend them to just use EndeavourOS. I have it on my laptop, and it's basically Arch, but with a hassle free installation process.

[–] Mazoku@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

Same for me, installed arch with archinstall, it installed faster than windows does, and I haven’t had to modify anything or tinker with anything. Even Steam games work out of the box with compatibility mode

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[–] Varyag@lemm.ee 25 points 7 months ago

Linux Mint. That's always the answer. It's lightweight, it's simple, it's easy, it does what you need. Even gaming. SomeOrdinaryGamers did a vidso on YT about installing it, it's pretty easy!

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Given that this is in a thread about Microsoft Server, I'd recommend using Debian as the distribution to replace Microsoft Server.

If you want a desktop, I'd start with a LiveCD version and familiarise yourself with the various available distributions on offer.

The intent of a LiveCD is essentially to boot into Linux without modifying your hard-disk and keeping your existing OS unchanged.

I'll note that many of these images are available for DVD or USB. Some will offer a mechanism to store data on your existing drive without wiping anything.

With USB drives being fast and cheap, you can also often use a LiveCD to install onto an external drive.

Finally, you can install a virtual machine on your computer and use it to run your Linux tests.

[–] pezhore@lemmy.ml 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Are you looking for a Windows, server, replacement or desktop replacement? Your experience will differ depending on which one you're trying to replace.

For instance, if you're trying to replace Windows active directory services with a single Linux server, might have a bad time. I'm in the process of migrating from AD to FreeIPA, PowerDNS, and isc-dhcp (or something similar for DHCP).

[–] notnotmike@programming.dev 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, forgot to specify in the post. But I'm looking for a desktop replacement. We thankfully don't use Windows Server anywhere at the moment.

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[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In the spirit of these kinds of changes, I’d love to hear some honest Linux distribution recommendations. I’m leaning towards Ubuntu because it is the most widely advertised and UX focused from my perspective. But I’ve also heard good things about Arch. Any others I should be considering?

Depends on your needs and preferences. If you want an easy Linux distribution Linux Mint is a good choice. Arch Linux is indeed good but default Arch is not that suitable for new Linux users unless you're willing to read documentation. You can go for Garuda or EndeavourOS to have Arch with easy installers and GUI.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 12 points 7 months ago

For a distro that just works, Linux Mint.

[–] ebits21@lemmy.ca 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I wouldn’t recommend arch as a first distro imo. I don’t see what the advantage would be for a newbie.

Personally I would recommend Fedora.

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[–] janNatan@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

"Dual boot friendly" means installing Linux on its own hard drive, just so you know. If you don't do that, it's likely the next Windows update will screw up the Linux bootloader. Maybe that's gotten better, but it's what I'd recommended from past experience.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't move to Arch. It's a great distro don't get me wrong but it's not for someone who isn't quite familiar with Linux. You need to choose every package on your system and configure it all.... Give yourself some time to know Linux.

Ubuntu is a great distro with a great out of box experience. The company behind it though has been making some choices I don't much care for so I've moved away from them. (They created a pretty crappy new packaging system, then started making the old, reliable packaging system use the new one without user consent)

OpenSuSe Tumbleweed is a great option. It has sane defaults, and nice versions of KDE and GNOME (two popular types of desktop environments, I'd recommend KDE if you're new to Linux - it's closer to the desktop philosophy you're used to. GNOME is great too but it's very opinionated and non-traditional, not for everyone.) It's also a "rolling release" distro, which means there's no big releases it just gets updated over time and provides you with very up to date packages. It's known to be quite stable which is unusual for a rolling-release distro (like Arch, for example).

Fedora is also a great choice - just follow a guide on how to get some media codecs on it (Fedora is big on not including software that isn't 100% open, but it's easy to add the few things you'll need). But it provides a great package manager, great KDE and GNOME versions, and all around very sane and stable. This is a traditional release distro with new versions every 6 months. You'll still get security and minor software updates between releases.

Whatever you choose, I think you'd be very surprised at what you CAN play under Linux with no problem. Outside of a few games (mostly due to anti-cheat which unfortunately rules out some - but not all - of the more popular multiplayer competitive games) there's really not much that doesn't run on Linux already nowadays.

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[–] hobbit@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If you want something a little more fresh, I'd maybe avoid Arch as your first go and try openSUSE Tumbleweed. It strikes a balance between bleeding edge and stable (they call it "leading edge" I believe). Everything is tested before release and isn't too stale like Ubuntu/Debian flavors. I personally like KDE for the desktop environment but the installer lets you choose.

If you want to stick with Ubuntu or something similar, I'd recommend Linux Mint. I used it before switching to openSUSE.

Most options should be dual boot friendly but I'd recommend installing Windows first to avoid bootloader issues.

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[–] Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca 20 points 7 months ago (4 children)

This stuff always makes me laugh. Firstly, yes absolutely, Microsoft shouldn’t do this sort of crap. But more importantly, the person complaining about it here is shouting out for the world to hear “I don’t know how to manage Windows servers properly!”. There is one single group policy setting that stops this from happening. A single, set-and-forget GPO. Anyone managing Windows environments that isn’t aware of this, shouldn’t be managing Windows environments.

[–] risencode@lemmy.ml 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is a ridiculous statement. Copilot should be opt-in, not opt-out and the setting is new.

Perfectly reasonable by the sysadmin to not have that already set.

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Let me see if I understand your logic. Microshit decides to push something sneakily on servers, and the OP mentions that he just found out about it, and never once does he mention that he doesn't know what to do about it, but and you assume he doesn't know, but and choose to blast him over your assumption.

Did I miss something?

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[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

AI assistance for server maintenance? Uh-oh.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Can't see this going wrong.

"Hey Copilot, make me a domain admin"

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[–] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Why does every mention or discussion of any annoyance in Windows immediately turn into a "install Linux" thread on here?

Sure, Linux might solve the immediate problem for the affected individual (and probably introduce a bunch of new ones as Linux isn't always as easy to use as advocates try to convince people it is) but it doesn't solve the larger issue - Microsoft needs to be held accountable for horrible design decisions and anti-consumerist practices.

Not everyone can, or will, switch to Linux. No matter how hard people champion that cause. And even if they do, it's a process that will take time. In the immediate, lots of people stand to benefit from Microsoft not pulling this sort of bs, and it's entirely justified to complain about it to make them walk back this decision.

[–] jherazob 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

All these discussions turn into that because WE KNOW that no one will convince MS to stop doing whatever they want, specially after investing literally billions on this kind of technology, the idea of MS "being held accountable" is something that realistically will not happen, and literally the only leverage people have against them is to just stop playing their game. Oh yeah, it's not easy, but given the fact that MS have made it so that you'll HAVE to fight the tech and relearn stuff every time they unilaterally decide to change things you might as well put effort where it will make a difference and free you from their BS

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago

Get rid of that crap, I and I'm not talking about Copilot.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

If you have to use Windows Server (or other Windows), install the hellzerg Optimizer

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately these services also open up security issues

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes I think the better solution is to read your username. It's hard to argue with Linux and BSDs when it comes to servers.

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[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 7 months ago

gotta use a superior os https://devuan.org

[–] jaypatelani@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Use BSD/Linux/Ironclad/SmartOS etc etc Open source Operating systems for

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

Anyone who cares about this and doesn't require a Windows server is already using BSD/Linux/etc

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[–] leds@feddit.dk 7 points 7 months ago

My winows 11 work laptop , fully managed by IT the department also has Xbox stuff installed...

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