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[–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 110 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Would you like to save this Lemmy post of a Tumblr post of a Reddit post that has been cross-posted on Lemmy to your Pinterest board?

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

we're taking this post to Threads next.

[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

More importantly. I’m gonna use these screenshots, that could easily have been modified, as the basis for my entire understanding of “privacy versus security”. Without reviewing any of the sources.

I believe Abraham Lincoln summed it up in that famous meme: “If it’s a quote on a picture on the internet, it’s gotta be true”

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Lol. I don't care whether a Nazi said the quote, but they make good arguments besides for that

[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago

Great idea. That'll be hilarious!

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 83 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I need privacy, not because my actions are questionable, but because your judgements and intentions are. 

Gold!

[–] xilliah 29 points 7 months ago

This is such an apt way to put it. It makes it relatable for everyone, as I'm sure we've all experienced prejudice and the like.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This looks like it could be the source. It's a reddit post by /u/starrywisdomofficial from almost exactly four years ago.

[–] LoamImprovement 50 points 7 months ago

I'm not concerned with the people who keep their blinds closed. I'm concerned with the people who want to peek in windows.

[–] starman@programming.dev 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)
[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

More importantly, from that link, it predates him so he certainly did not come up with it.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 7 months ago

In the early 2010s, If you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear had already been resurfacing as a common thought-stopping cliché here in the states, since SCOTUS had been adding carve-outs by the dozens to the fourth amendment to the Constitution to the United States (the one about protections from unreasonable searches and seizures). At first, if you didn't speak english, or are within 100 miles of a US border or coast (that's most of the US), the police got free probable cause. Eventually SCOTUS ruled that if you were searched illegally and evidence for a crime was found, that evidence could not be suppressed if the crime was significant enough (e.g. ~~the clothes of a missing child~~ no wait, simple drug possession was enough.)

We were already aware of the FISC, FBI National Security Letters (the origins of the NSL canary statements) and the disposition matrix, by which even US citizens could be sentenced to execution by secret trial; the right to face one's accuser was long forfeit.

But then, it was also a period in which US citizens averaged about three crimes a day, mostly violations of the CFAA (which Reagan signed into law after watching Wargames 1983. Violation of the TOS of a website was a federal felony, which meant every tween that got a ~~Facebook~~ Friendster or Myspace account was committing a crime that could be sentenced up to 25 years (what is the upper limit for murder one in some states). It wasn't enforced... unless some official needed you to go away, say because he wanted your wife, or your property, or for you to shut up about his crimes.

And this is one example, and why telephone encryption is such a problem. Today, it's illegal in most states for law enforcement to search your phone once you're in custody without a warrant. They do anyway, and might or might not be able to crack the encryption with current tech (it's an ongoing race between exploits and fixes). If they find something worth prosecuting, or assets worth seizing or extorting you over, or if they just don't like you, then yes, expect to lose all your valuable property and assets, and become their informant. Sexual favors may also be necessary if you're attractive.

And that's why we need privacy, even as SCOTUS continues to strip it away from us.

In the 2020s, though, it's all the other technologies: IMSI spoofing, camera drones, ALPRs, Facial Recognition (which is a good way to get falsely convicted), Ring doorbell camera botnets, reverse warrants based on location or websearches, and so on. Big Brother is left holding the beer of IRL 2024.

[–] ErwinLottemann@feddit.de 9 points 7 months ago

GNU Terry Pratchett

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

Privacy and security are synonymous, especially on the internet. Already independent of the fact that certain companies make money with your data for spurious purposes, too often without control and necessary protection.

[–] Ferk@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

If they really think there's no reason to hide anything, why are they prosecuting Snowden for exposing something that was hidden?

Before having surveillance on people, they should have it on themselves.

Imagine how many corruption cases could have been prevented if the government was publicly monitored, with live streams from all offices, like a "big brother" show set up in the white house with live recordings of all calls and communications, so the voters can judge by themselves and monitor if the person they employed as the servant for the country is doing its job.

[–] sqgl 2 points 7 months ago
[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Goebbels is not the first person to say this. An earlier quote comes from Upton Sinclair in 1918:

Not merely was my own mail opened, but the mail of all my relatives and friends—people residing in places as far apart as California and Florida. I recall the bland smile of a government official to whom I complained about this matter: ‘If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.’

Let's be clear: the right to privacy is not a fascist dogma.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Downvoted. Please dont post images of text. Blind people cannot read it.

Type the text next time.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You could transcribe it...

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

Why would I fix something when I can bitch?

[–] ReversalHatchery 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Downvoted. Those who don't know english cannot read your comment. There are many of them.

Translate the text next time.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Are you really this ignorant about how accessibility tools work for disabled people?

[–] ReversalHatchery 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Instead of complaining, you could have just submitted a transcript. So far as I have noticed this was the attitude to the issue on the platform.

Also, for the record, I didn't downvote you. My instance does not allow it.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 7 months ago

Its not my job to transcribe posts. Its the job of the OP. That's the point.

[–] jmankman@lemmy.myserv.one 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't post images of objects, blind people cannot see them.

Type the items next time.

Only post images as ASCII art

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Downvoted.

No matter how right you are you don't get to be a dick.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 2 points 7 months ago

what did I do that was dick-ish?

We should all be doing our part to downvote and report low effort spam. It improves the quality of our communities.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think what Snowden did was fundamentally good.

My only problem is that he could have chosen to violate the bad law in the way King and others have violated bad laws in an effort to shed light on their badness: break the bad law in the open where everyone can see, then get arrested, then put the bad law and the system behind it on trial.

By running away, he's given the people who are doing bad things a line of attack against him. It's bullshit, and doesn't change the fact that widespread warrantless surveillance is wrong. But some people will take the attacks against Snowden seriously. If he had turned himself in and gone to trial, that line of attack would be gone.

[–] Steve@communick.news 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

If being arrested and going to trial was his big concern, he would have taken that over running. We're talking about the NSA and CIA here. He was afraid of being suicided in jail before ever getting to a trial.

Honestly I'm a little surprised he's still alive. Russia wasn't his plan, but it may have been the best place for him to end up.

[–] drwho 6 points 7 months ago

There was a betting pool back home on how long he was going to stay alive. First time I've seen everyone in a pool lose.

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Lack of dialectical materialism.

"Let the good guys see your messages" erases the dialectical materialism of the situation. All guys are guys looking out for their own class interests.

So if you let the Powers That Be surveil you, you have nothing to fear if you happen to be their friend. If they dislike you, you surely have something to fear.

[–] stembolts@programming.dev 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

"The powers that be" doesn't describe anything, nothing permanent anyway. The only constant is change, and that applies to leadership of any sort. A friendly leadership today is a hostile leadership tomorrow because its all a game of musical chairs. The tools to violate privacy, once created, will fall into all hands. In my opinion, we will learn the easy way.. or the unfortunate way.

That said, I didn't understand most of your message but responded to the small part that was communicated clearly.

Finally I'd like to (hopefully constructively) critique of your writing style. In the future I think that you should prioritize understandability and explanation over vocabulary and brevity. What use is a display of swordsmanship to a blind crowd?

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

When addressing a group of size, you can't please everyone, as different listeners will have different bits of prior knowledge.

I assumed an audience on an ML forum would know the difference between an idealist argument and a dialectical materialist one (rather than being a "blind crowd"). If not, that can't be helped: you can't customise speech to a varied audience.

[–] stembolts@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

I understand your perspective. Hopefully my critique wasn't overstepping. I'm just one person with some ideas I thought would help you. Maybe so, maybe not! Seems like we're both trying and that is all we can do. Have a nice day.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You could erase the first two sentences of this comment and lose literally nothing. Which is pretty impressive, considering how important "dialectical materialism" sounds.

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

The first two sentences are about the general model; the rest applies it to the particular subject.

[–] Pinklink@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago