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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 89 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Mathematician: this is category theory. No, it didn’t have anything to do with categorization, it just helps us understand how spaces can map to each other. Yeah I guess it’s kinda like graph theory or algebra, but not really. We made a category of graphs, and you can use the category of graphs to represent endofunctors on the category of categories.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ok but can I use a graphing calculator to graph those graphs?

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 20 points 10 months ago

Also no! The “graphing calculator” is an abomination that should be more rightly called a plotting calculator. But that’s what happens when you let engineers in Texas name something.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a strange feeling to think you understand what you are reading until you get to the end, but you have given me that feeling. I was like "yeah category that's a word I know. Let's math the hell out of some categories." Then I recognized other words you said, but by the time I was at the end of your post I wasn't sure if I understood anything.

I don't mind feeling dumb. Honestly it helps keep my narcissism in check. I like math because I don't understand all of it even though it should be logical.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If it helps, category theory is affectionately referred to by mathematicians as "generalized abstract nonsense".

It can be very confusing, but it's sort of a field of math that helps to relate ideas on one area to similar ones in another domain.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago

Oh. Neat. Like a sort of language interpreter trying to explain an analogy from one language to another? The words might not mean the same when it comes down to the word for word interpretation, but the idea behind them is what matters.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago

I've read a fair few unintuitive mathematical things, but category theory has so far been the worst. Some things are just plain unintuitive and don't catch your attention. Then there are things that are intuitive and really do reel you in. Finally there are things that seem intuitive but become so complex that your comprehension inverses: what you thought you knew feels wrong because of the new things you learned.

The latter has been my experience with category theory.

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[–] WastedJobe@feddit.de 34 points 10 months ago (4 children)

My engineering friends and me propose that physicists should be referred to as theoretical engineers.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I propose engineers not be allowed to name things. Not everything needs to be an "engineer"

[–] Doombot1@lemmy.one 24 points 10 months ago

What are you, an engineer engineer?

[–] Steve@startrek.website 12 points 10 months ago

Most mad scientists are actually mad engineers.

[–] mypasswordistaco@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 10 months ago

What of experimental physicists?

[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 10 months ago

There are different kinds of physics researchers and it doesn't look like what physics lessons show in university, which is mostly theory. Most are not theoricians, they work on experiments and analyze results, they design and build instruments similarly to engineers. It seems the main difference is the kind of question they want to answer to: scientific question vs client need.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Tbf advancement in math usually means "random shit we're doing for the fun of it" and then 40 years later an actual application is discovered

It took centuries for people to realize number theory could be used for encryption

[–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Someone just Veritasiumed.

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If only engineering documentation was as precise and comprehensive as this meme claims...

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 10 points 10 months ago

Yeah it's a managerial function involving skill and time and therefore money, but if it doesn't directly translate into profits for the corporation, then who has interest in that kind of investment these days?

[–] jj122@lemmings.world 19 points 10 months ago

Oh man the university ptsd as an engineer. I once asked a physics prof at what width does the split slot experiment break down, she couldn't understand the question. All the other engineering students were nodding their heads in agreement with the question and tried to explain the question in a different way, still no idea what we were asking.

[–] krellor@fedia.io 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Topology: no, a set being open doesn't imply that it is closed. What if it's both? We call it clopen. Moving on.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Interesting. That’s not how I was taught (different time, different language). A set that has some boundary points not being part of a set is open. Otherwise it is closed. It was binary definition. A 1D-sphere (a circle) was classified as a closed set. No boundary. But I looked in google and now it is different.

[–] Ckjazz@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

As one in engineering, I think our work is less about precision and more about solving (challenging) problems with what is needed and nothing more.

Anybody can build a deck that stands up, an engineer can build one that's just strong enough to stand up (for rated load haha)

[–] autokludge@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago

As a design/drafter -- I design to 'look right' which is probably overkill. Hopefully that headroom helps with the 300lb ape factor.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Anybody can build a deck that stands up

Uhuh.

[–] Ckjazz@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

It doesn't need to be true, just convey a point :p

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

So you’re telling me this subset is some kind of Santa’s boot in green?

[–] fadhl3y@lemmy.one 4 points 10 months ago

"they have played us for fools"