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I've seen a lot of posts here on Lemmy, specifically in the "fuck cars" communities as to how Electric Vehicles do pretty much nothing for the Climate, but I continue to see Climate activists everywhere try pushing so, so hard for Electric Vehicles.

Are they actually beneficial to the planet other than limiting exhaust, or is that it? or maybe exhaust is a way bigger problem?

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[–] whome@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 9 months ago

You can run a fleet of ev on regenerative energy, that doesn't work with converting engine vehicles. BUT the problem is it makes no sense if we just exchange all the ce cars with ev ones. We need to stay away from individual transportation solutions towards public transportation.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

it's actually a pretty simple to figure out carbon footprint for gas powered cars. Gasoline is just a bunch of carbon atoms loosely linked together. You add heat, you add oxygen, and the carbon molecule bonds break in favor of bonding with oxygen to form carbon dioxide/monoxide, and release energy in the process. That's how combustion works. None of the carbon is destroyed in the process, all of the gasoline just gets converted into a gas; a greenhouse gas. Its why cars are the largest source of emissions in the US.

All of that is cut in an EV. With renewable energy sources there doesnt have to be any greenhouse emissions with EV's.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 1 points 9 months ago

Gasoline is only part of the picture, however. For one, the chemical reaction by which concrete cures releases CO~2~, and concrete is responsible for 4-8% of emissions globally. Unless we're going to drive those new-fangled EVs on old-fashioned dirt roads, they account for significant greenhouse gases.

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[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Short term EVs aren't making a lot of difference due to the higher energy costs of manufacturing them. Long term cars are just a terrible transportation method, especially within cities, and we really need alternatives so that we can get rid of most of them.

On the other hand as renewable energy sources take over the grid the energy costs of manufacturing EVs will be less relevant to climate change, and it's just going to be faster to switch power plants and new car manufacturing over than it will be to rebuild the entire transportation infrastructure on all of Earth, especially North America. That time difference will have a large effect on how bad things will get by the end of this century. EVs are dumb, but also a necessary stopgap.

[–] HorseWithNoName@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Lithium mining is not good for the environment.

[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What is the carbon footprint, particularly of the batteries, during both manufacture and disposal. How does that compare to internal combustion engines?

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[–] BurntPunk@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m no expert, but I’ve asked the same question myself.

First off, I’ve been told that yes, exhaust from I.C.E. vehicles is very much a HUGE environmental concern. That being said, however- due to issues with current electrical generation, means that unless large steps are taken toward sustainable green energy, running the current grid for enough to cover charging needs produces a comparatively close amount of pollution per mile driven. On top of that, is the issue with the rare-earth minerals needed to manufacture the batteries used in current EVs, which are extremely damaging to mine, especially in increasing quantities. And finally- once they are worn out, there is no reliably safe way to dispose of those batteries. And the current lifecycle of them averages around 3-5 years, so as more are disposed of, that impact on soil and water tables is projected to skyrocket.

So it’s a many-fold issue, and at the end of the day they aren’t necessarily WORSE than ICE vehicles, but they are also not really any better.

As for why people THINK they are super environmentally friendly? In a word- marketing.

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[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There are studies after what kind of mileage an EV outperforms a regular car.

But the question is: Where do you get your electricity from? Is it regenerative energy?

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

the thing is that EVs are agnostic to their energy source. you could get 100% from your own home solar panel setup if you wanted to

[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sure. I meant you have to pay attention and do it right. In theory you can do all kinds of things. Drive super dirty vehicles to none at all and use your bicycle and the train. But the actual CO2 emissions depend on what we all actually decide to do. A solar panel would be a excellent. Especially if you live in the south where you get plenty of sun.

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