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They're also doing a really good job of playing out the long arc of T'Pring and Spock having genuine affection for each other to the point where we're actually kind of going to be on T'Pring's side when she finally reaches the conclusion of "Man, fuck that guy"

I loved the episode. Someone needs to make a Spock kicking the air GIF. I love that Spock has two hotties fighting for his attention. This was close to a hangout Trek. AND they were on a mission too! This episode felt so much like TNG. Again, Pike's hair is amazing. THE BEST PART: When Pike tried to escape the reunion of Spock and his future mother in law the damned door wouldn't open. Pike avoiding family conflict was the best running joke on the show. And LOVED that Pike wasn't the hero. Show is so good.

Aha! I just noticed that the lead writer on this episode is Kathryn Lyn, who also wrote the best episode of Lower Decks to date: the incredible “wej Duj”.

No wonder I thought that Ortegas’ line about “Notice how I move my eyebrow but no other muscles in my face,” sounded like something Mariner would say.

Much to my own surprise, I'm a complete sucker for this budding Spock/Chapel romance. I just want these two beautiful people to be happy together, damn it! We all know it's doomed, unfortunately, and I hope that whatever inevitably destroys it doesn't turn out to be too painful for the characters involved. Spock and Chapel are obviously not engaged in a romantic relationship in TOS, most obviously in Amok Time when such a pairing would have rendered the entire story trivial.

Someone mentioned in a previous thread that Spock's Pon Farr (seven years before Amok Time) is closing in. I was skeptical in that thread that they would choose to touch on it then, but the events of this episode do make that seem quite a bit more likely, if (again) increasingly difficult to square with Amok Time.

The moment when Spock saw himself in the mirror gave me a good chuckle. His reaction as a human to seeing he no longer had vulcan ears was hilarious.

I am completely on board with the Chapel/Spock shipping going on. My heart broke for her a little bit when she administered the cure to Spock.

After some further thought, I have to make the observation that I think T'pring knew something was wrong with Spock. There are a few things that T'pring does that indicates she knows that whatever Spock is going through, it's more than he lets on. The main indication, to me, is when she held his hand after pouring the tea, which has to be excruciating to Spock. She helps him while he's pouring the water to ensure the tea is properly steeped. She initiates the end of the Ritual of Awakening; interrupting her mother because the timer has expired. She defends the memory Amanda and Spock share. I love T'pring because, regardless of the circumstance, she stands beside Spock and defends him in the best way possible.

Unfortunately, by the time she realizes something is amiss, they are committed to the ritual and they cannot get out of it even if she would want to delay it. I still think that Spock, at the time, chose to not disclose his condition for good reasons. I'm still on the fence that T'pring would've accidentally revealed that during the mind meld with her mother. I'm still onboard that Spock made the correct decision, however I can say that he should of at least disclosed that something was amiss a little later on.

I really enjoyed this episode. The whole cast of SNW are really strong but Jess Bush has been a particular highlight - I'll admit I was cautious when I first heard they'd cast some Australian model as Chapel, but that caution was gone by the end of episode one and she's become easily one of my favourite characters. Ordinarily I don't tend to find that Star Trek romances do much for me but they've now got me invested in Chapel and Spock.

With hindsight my only mild criticism of the episode is the premise that a human Spock would be more emotional than the Spock we know. We constantly hear that Vulcans feel emotions more strongly than humans, but have learnt to embrace logic to control them - i.e. their nature is more emotional than humans but their nurture counterbalances this. So wouldn't a human Spock (with biologically human nature, but the nurture that Spock carries from his life experience being raised as a Vulcan) actually be super rational and logical?

​I absolutely love the Kerkhovians holy shit. They feel like they've fallen out of a slightly different genre of Sci Fi than Star Trek normally goes for, like something from a Revelation Space or a Culture novel.

I laughed more times in that one episode than I have during hundreds of previous Trek episodes COMBINED. Trek comedy has never landed with me which makes this the best Trek comedy ever by a large margin. Angsty Spock and the crew's reaction to him were genuinely funny, with a special nod to Pike's "WTF" facial reactions in the background during the ceremony.

Going in spoiler-free and without having read people's opinions in this thread, I'm going to guess this is going to be one hell of a polarizing episode. But one I really enjoyed, so there's that.

At first I was thinking, "I thought we had all agreed that we did not approve of hijinx" and I am totally unable to enjoy cringe humor. It doesn't make me laugh, just...cringe.

BUT it turned out that it was in service of advancing two of Spock's most intimate relationships and wow, that packed a punch. It was like, for us 21st century humans, the first time you looked at your parent and saw them as a fully fleshed-out adult with their own struggles, not just "mom" or "dad".

T'Pring was 100% right to feel slighted by Spock not confiding in her, though I don't think it was lack of trust on his part, I think it was more not wanting to have both of them in a situation where they had to deal with...hijinx. But that's what marriage is, committing yourself to another person first, always. And apparently Spock is not ready for that yet.

Ethan peck looked like he had a blast with this episode, screaming into a towel is a mood

I also enjoyed the "subservient" dad who really just wanted to eat good food and play charades but was shot down :'( but then the captain gave him leftovers with a cool snap :)

Also, as a meta comment, I really dislike the scenes where it's clear they are just I don't of the LED wall. It looks so fake and the actors just stand there in an obviously empty room. Season 1 of SNW had at least one episode of this, and season 1 of the mandalorian did too, and they really need to follow the mandalorian example.abkut having actual physical props in addition to the LED wall to prevent it from looking fake as hell

I needed the laughs this week and it totally delivered for me.

Star trek always does this to me, they introduce some character or change to a character that I initially would not agree with but they always make me love them. I'm going to miss human Spock now.

When they said they were bringing the Kirk's into strange new worlds I thought it was a terrible idea, now I keep thinking how great a series with the new Kirk would be.

When seven turned up in voyager I knew it was because of sex appeal and the FHM magazine culture of the time so I was against it, now she's my favourite character and I cried when she was made captain.

Whe Pike and Spock turned up in discovery I thought that was a bad idea, now pike is my hero and I never want SNW to end and Ethan Peck is totally smashing it as Spock.

Human Spock? What a shit idea. But, I absolutely loved it.

I would not be opposed if episode five of every season of SNW involves Vulcan Hijinks.

Things I liked: Ethan Peck and Mount have some great comedic chops. Many funny lines throughout, generally enjoyable.

Things I did not like: Never been a fan of altering Spock's backstory with T'pring. Chapel doesn't even know that Spock was engaged in Spock Amok. Please stop the T'pring stuff, also maybe it's time we saw some Spock instead of all this funny stuff.

Overall an ok episode.

I was disappointed they didn't spend more time on the scene at the end where Spock reveals to T'pring's mother that he was actually human while performing their precious ceremony. Really wanted to see him yank that Vulcan rose bush that woman had up her ass!

So... what was up with the door in the transporter room slamming shut in Pike's face when he turned to leave Amanda and Spock? lol

fuck you unvulcans your spock

The Kherkovians remind me of my worst customer service experiences. I bet Yellow and Blue aren’t even their real names, just aliases to mask the rep of the day.

I’m also convinced they have to be connected to the Bajoran Prophets somehow. A transport tunnel? An interdimensional liminal space? Come on!

The Vulcan comedy of manners was hilarious, especially the Awareness ritual, which is basically every thing your in-laws hate about you but told to your face with no pretense. Pike trying to get them to play charades was a little too on the nose, I think, right up there with “You’re astronauts on some kind of Star Trek.”

I was half convinced the mind meld would turn out to be a TAS: “Yesteryear” reference. Not gonna lie, felt a bit let down. They’re also really teasing us with this Korby stuff.

I also thought the reason Spock didn’t tell T’Pring was because he thought there was a risk T’Pril might pick it up during the meld.

While I enjoy them, I do hope the zany episodes don’t always revolve around Vulcans. As funny as they are (and teaching Spock how to talk like a Vulcan was gasping for breath funny) I don’t always want them to be the butt of the joke.

In a good way, they took a lot of scifi things that have been done in other trek and remixed them into a very good episode. It had shades of Voyager's "Faces", DS9's "You Are Cordially Invited", Data getting his emotion chip in generations. These are things we've seen, but explored in new and pleasing ways.

I feel like these bread crumbs of context to "Amok Time" are going to make a classic episode better, but for a lot of newer fans there could potentially be no pay off if TOS can't hold their attention.

Some fan discourse I've seen on mastodon suggested "oh look there's the AR wall" like its some kind of bad thing, but I don't see this as any different to saying "oh look CGI character" we all know it, you don't need to point it out.

I love this show. I actually like every character in it, which is rare for me these days. Cannot wait for more.

It's funny how both Pike's and Uhura's first word with a totally unknown species is "Hi!"

You're Starfleet! Come on!

OK... they will have learned this lesson by the 24th century. 😂

Also, why treat the aliens like idiots? Why say: "You made him easier to talk to" instead of "He is now a different species." Additionally, this seemed to just have served as a plot point to make Chapel admit her feelings openly, so I wasn't too excited about the "talk to a coloured cloud in a waiting room" scenes.

These minor quibbles aside it felt like an average TNG episode. And for me that means it is a successful episode.

Y'all ready to buy that Star Trek beanie at the next Trek convention? Makes for easy cosplay, especially if you have human ears.

The main thing I disliked is that it kinda of removed any chance of us getting a "Spock is split into his human and vulcan halves by a transporter accident and they totally don't get along with each other" episode down the line.

A few thoughts on the rewatch:

Chapel having to explain her feelings for Spock to the alien was kind of a teenage show thing. BUT the more I think about it the more I realize that TOS had aliens with simple, sometimes pure, goals. So I think these aliens fit right in with ST.

The "ancient alien" line may not age well. They are usually very careful not to put references to our time due to it not dating well (Musk, Stacey Abrams). I've heard it mentioned on Shuttle Pod show that the actors could not change a word of dialoge to protect the show from sounding of our time. Of course the joke of using that phrase will fade so maybe it's OK.

What was that bit about Pike's girlfriend looking for Dilithium? Was it a joke that went over my head? Could someone explain?

I surely got some nods to Bender becoming human in Futurma season 4. The bacon eating scene, surely a Matt Groening reference to Homer's love for pork, and Bender went wild on nachos and hot dogs.

It's insane how a series can be so good

So I'm not really the biggest fan of the episode. Felt a bit too obviously like mid-season filler or something. Though I didn't hate it.

But what I actually really appreciated about it, reflecting on it just now, is that I don't think it was predictable, like at all. You couldn't quite tell if the episode was going to go full comedy, or romantic drama or some whacky sci-fi stuff with the wormhole aliens.

And I think that might be one of SNW's strengths (?) A sort of comfortable and maybe confident fluidity around the tone and style it's going for in any episode and at any point in time.

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