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honestly disappointed they'll get double digits, never mind into triple.
130 is more than they deserve.
Hopefully they decide to support PR voting off the back of this, I'm not 'too' hopeful though, would be quite unlike them to do something that actually benefits the electorate.
So I’m a yank and might need help understanding this. Through Thatcher all the way through Brexit, this Rwanda deportation deal is the driving nail that makes everyone understand that the Tories are a bunch of cunts?
I’m trying to figure out how to get my country to understand that our conservatives are a bunch of nation wrecking cunts as well, so any guidance would be appreciated.
No that deal is helping them. It was having parties while no one was allowed to meet in COVID. Giving away money to mates for PPE that didn't work. Truss having 30 days in power and making the economy even worse. Massive inflation.
I think of it like trying to squash a mattress with lots of small objects. The more objects that you put on, the more areas that are squashed, but there are still parts that haven't been compressed yet.
Similar thing with the politics, people don't change allegiances until it's a bombshell they care about.
However anyone feels about their performance they can’t simply do a better job between now and the election. The signs are there for everyone to see that it’s simply time to let someone else have a go.
They probably feel that, at a minimum they could spend the time ripping off as much as they can and laying traps for Labour to stumble into to give them a better chance of getting back in at the following election.
Yep. The GOP did the same thing & it seems to be working for them because people have the political attention spans of fruit flies.
That's giving labour too much credit: To stumble into a trap, you have to actually come off the fence some time.
Of course, but there's a whole lot of destruction they wish to wreak before relinquishing power to make it all the harder for Labour to reverse the damage. They definitely don't want Labour to be able to get beyond reversing damage & onto instituting good things!
Meantime, they retain opportunities to carry on grifting until the next election.
Incompetence & bad ideas are one thing (governance is genuinely hard & complex after all), but they're not even operating in semi-reasonable faith.
Couldn't happen to a nicer party......
the election isn't going to be like the polling suggests; it'll be a lot closer.
and regardless, it's just going to be the red tories replacing the blue tories so will anything really change? and i say this as a trans person.
and i say this as a trans person.
I'm not sure what this adds to your comment.
I completely disagree that it'll be "red Tories", his voting record is nothing like the "softer Tories". It just won't be as left as some people want.
All this doom and gloom about Starmer also plays right into the Tory smear playbook. If they can get everyone to talk about it then it doesn't matter how true or false it is. People who would have voted are now feeling "what's the point" and the Tories can win through disaffection.
Yeah it could be better with a different Labour leader, but fucking hell, it'll be a hell of a lot better than the past decade of rotating Tory failures we've had as PM.
Don't use headlines as basis for your opinion, use his voting record to show what he really believes.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25353/keir_starmer/holborn_and_st_pancras/votes
He has voted against restricting legal aid
He has voted against tuition fees.
He has voted against reducing welfare benefits
He has voted for increasing disability payments
That's not Tory.
That's right. I was someone who fell into the "they're red tories" trap during the Blair years. We were spoilt and didn't know how good we had it.
Blair was New Labour, which I suppose you could call them, Tories Lite, but that's kind of unnuanced.
Regardless, "New Labour" essentially doesn't exist anymore.
Not "unnuanced", completely unjustified.
Even New Labour has absolutely no relationship to the Tories, spending on services went up, standards of living went up, child poverty went down, the economy grew, everyone was better off.
The only down point for the UK was during the global recession caused by the Americans, but that can't be blamed on Labour.
Then the Tories came back, cut everything, reduced taxes, and it all went to shit.
The problem with that comparison is that the Tories have been shifting more and more right for a decade now.
New Labour was supposed to combat Tory classic, not this new branch of wingnuts. You know the Tories of the '90s they did at least recognize that welfare was something they had to spend money on.
I'm not that young, I remember the 80's and 90's.
Relative poverty levels increased in the 80's, were fairly flat in the early 90's and decreased while New Labour was in power. Afterwards it flattened and has been increasing.
Just because Tory now is a complete and utter mess, doesn't make New Labour the same as Thatcher and Major.
Don't use headlines as basis for your opinion, use his voting record to show what he really believes.
It's always a bad idea to let one party form your opinion of the opposing party.
If only more had your common sense.
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It's so easy to be a political pundit right now, anyone can do it.
The Tories are going to lose the next election says top political commentator, a.k.a. bloke from down the pub.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The country’s top polling guru warned of the bleak situation faced by the Tories as they head into winter with the news dominated by infighting over the prime minister’s Rwanda deportation plan.
With Labour enjoying a consistent polling lead of close to 20 points, Prof Curtice said voters appear to have “stopped listening” to the Tories on the big issues.
On the major split currently looming in response to Mr Sunak’s plans, Prof Curtice wrote: “Divided parties rarely prosper at the polls.
But cabinet minister Michael Gove insisted that Mr Sunak’s government is “not contemplating” holding an early general election if the Rwanda bill is voted down.
A group of unnamed Tory MPs have told The Mail on Sunday that they would like to get rid of Mr Sunak – with some even keen to bring back Boris Johnson as leader.
Dubbed the “pasta plotters”, a small group of anti-Sunak MPs and strategists were said to have met at an Italian restaurant to plan “an Advent calendar of s***” for the current Tory leader over the Rwanda issue this December.
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