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[–] ster@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (26 children)

Letting the Russian government oppress Ukraine won't solve this either. We'd all prefer no fighting, but fighting is better than letting Russia bully their way.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (12 children)

There is no scenario here where Ukraine can win against Russia. All this does is prolongue the suffering of the people there. The only ethical thing to do is to help find a diplomatic solution and encourage negotiations. Unfortunately, western powers have been doing the opposite of that encouraging Ukraine to continue fighting and sending weapons.

The reality is that the west doesn't actually care about the people of Ukraine, and just wants to use them as pawns to drag Russia into a prolonged conflict there. It's a ghoulish thing to do.

[–] ster@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (11 children)

If the Russian government believes it can just roll tanks into any neighbouring country as it fancies, cheaply and quickly, confident that the citizens of that country will surrender happily and have their freedoms taken away from them, they will start more wars and claim more territory.

In war, there are mainly losers. It's true Ukraine cannot win this war, but at this point, nor can Russia. Russia doesn't even have enough soldiers to hold the entire country of Ukraine at this point, and maintaining control over any territory it captures will be expensive. That's why they are focussing on capturing the Donbas region so they can claim victory and gain territory without losing face.

[–] ster@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

We have to take into consideration that if Russia did annex Ukraine, it would likely lead to extreme amounts of sufferring anyway - possibly including civil war, insurgency etc. that could go on for decades.

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