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(begin rant)

Hi. Do you ever have a feeling that you have technical skills to qualify as a programmer, and there's a demand for specialists, but, ironically, nobody needs them to design some useful information system or optimize the workflow in the factories, or do real science and push the limitations of human knowledge, but rather, all is just to spread some crappy advertising message as cheap as possible to the broadest audience as possible, usually without giving any respect to consumers, that feels like you're losing your brain cells when interacting with the app/content you create. Quality level zero, consumerism level over 9k. Tons of boilerplate because 'everything must be kept proprietary' and it probably won't work after 2 years because the framework you were using is down and the very idea of the becomes dated. Also, the more advanced technology, the more it's used for shit. Like, we have generative neural networks that are used for turdposting conspiracies and generating profit/influence for some party.

I would say this clearly: I am very, very angry when I'm seeing this. I don't want to participate in something that forces consumers to eat shit. Fuck SEO and e-commerce. Everything's generative-AI, GANs, LLMs.. now, which do not produce any value, at least to the user, or extracting every single bit of data of the user. Everything's just to bombard people with information nowadays. Even Project Managers get biased (mostly because of naΓ―ve hype) and promote this crap.

(end rant)

So, my question is, how do you go through all of it? Of course, devs are better paid, but I don't care about money. I'm still a student and, although I really like programming, and I'm really good at solving Competitive Programming problems (been at ICPC several times), I'm tired of this junk, besides I have a feeling I'll be forced to do it. But, if I'm going to do it, somebody's gonna get hurt. But it seems that it's the only thing I'm skilled at, and I have no alternatives. So, how do you get through all of it, and what do you see it as relief, what does reward you at the very end?

EDIT: uncensored all swear words at request. I hope now you're happy.

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[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 104 points 1 year ago (11 children)
  1. Your attitude is correct, don't support enshittification and don't do anything you're not comfortable doing

  2. Don't replace cursewords with stupid characters, this is Lemmy.

[–] raubarno@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)
  1. Yes, but also, I do want to have a job because I want to make a positive impact. It's too easy to become a NEET and be negative at everything.
  2. I understand your concern. Next time, I'll go either no symbols or express my opinion without swearwords (because they are not pleasant, at least for me).

EDIT: but mainstream web is really that bad.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are tons of IT jobs for more ethical companies where you can feel good about what you are working on.

Stay away from large, publicly traded companies, and companies whose user isn't the paying customer.

Startups, companies that are wholly privately owned (often by an individual into philanthropy or at least mostly concerned with their image and legacy), or those usually in smaller more focused markets are where the ethical jobs tend to be.

You guys are doing that in your interviews, right? Learning about the product, the company, its moral philosophy? Not just selling out to the highest paying job?... Right?

Maybe that's too much for some people. People do get squeezed and get desperate.

[–] iamhazel 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Local πŸ‘ non πŸ‘ profits (or govt)

I feel like those options are always immediately written off. It is possible to find good to great opportunities. Plenty of shit ones too of course but it's worth a look.

It feels good to work somewhere whose purpose is to support the community I live in.

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